Would You As A Christian Make Homosexual Sex Illegal If You Could? (verse, gays)

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by MrBlueSky_

you and your bigoted ilk ....

I know others would tell me that I was just attacked in a very personal manner, but I would have to tell them "It's like music to my ears!"

[stanman13]

I would under no circumstances support giving the gov't more power than it has already usurped. Where is the Constitutional authority for such laws as this?

Not to mention, I really don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors. It's not my problem (if you could even call it a problem), it's not my responsibility, it's not my business.

I believe in what Jesus taught us, but you couldn't really call me a Christian in the traditional sense, as I have rejected the organized church. There are too many falsehoods and hiding of knowledge sustained in the name of keeping power. That started in the church right at the beginning with Peter.

I am reminded of three important quotes that I will end with:

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

As you do unto the least of your brethren, so do you unto me.

Let him among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

[MrBlueSky_]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

I know others would tell me that I was just attacked in a very personal manner, but I would have to tell them "It's like music to my ears!"

White supremacists say much the same..

Ahh, pride in bigotry and ignorance. Only a Xian..

[Thomas R.]

Humans have free-will, populations are diverse, and the state is largely about the public good. So no I definitely do not favor any state making homosexual sex illegal. Although I might favor making it illegal for AIDS patients (of any orientation) to have unprotected sex, uncertain.

(Yes as a Catholic I don't believe in protected sex, but if you're engaging in a sexual sin I really don't think condom makes that much difference. And besides the state has different responsibilities)

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by MrBlueSky_

White supremacists say much the same..

Ahh, pride in bigotry and ignorance. Only a Xian..

if you ever catch me making any personal attacks against anyone on this forum, or calling anyone a name, or using words not fit to say to one's own mother in church, then point that out to me...

because I try to always post in a manner that it a fitting reflection of myself, my faith, my family, and a good example to you and others.

I may disagree with someone but I will never use harsh words that hurt

[chiffonhead]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

if you ever catch me making any personal attacks against anyone on this forum, or calling anyone a name, or using words not fit to say to one's own mother in church, then point that out to me...

because I try to always post in a manner that it a fitting reflection of myself, my faith, my family, and a good example to you and others.

I may disagree with someone but I will never use harsh words that hurt

telling someone that the love they feel is an abomination and that they don't deserve to have the protection and rights as a married couple because of something YOU believe in is pretty hurtful. perpetuating the belief that homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals are nothing more than second-class citizens who need to be shown the error of their ways is pretty hurtful.

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by chiffonhead

telling someone ....

I don't tell anyone anything in a personal manner.

While I might have views about homosexuals as as being sinners, as well as child molesters being sinners or murderers being sinners or serial killers being sinners, I don't call anyone of my fellow forum brothers names.

Nor do I take offense when people call me names because
I believe the basic manners of a Christian should show forth when they are attacked.

A non-Christian gets all offended and strikes back in kind.
A non-Christian returns spit for spit.

But a true Christian turns the other cheek when struck.

Does this mean that a good Christian such as myself cant attack sin?
NO!

Does this mean that a good Christian such as myself should worry that I might hurt the feelings of someone who is stuck deep in a life of sin?..NO!!!

Love the sinner, But show nothing but real hate for the sin itself.
Let the person know that you are not attacking them personally, but rather you are attacking Godless actions and sin-filled thinking, (as should we all )


I think that a person should fell free to discuss the Bible's "concepts" about sin with some style so as to always provide the other person with a means to repent and draw closer to the same Lord I worship.

In this line then I do believe (and take a clear line in debate)that the Gays do not enter into the kingdom.
This is not based on my own views of Gays, rather I base my statement on the text and the text alone.


I don't call the person names but I will quote the scripture and allow it to confront the issue for me.
I believe there should not be a cause to take personal offense if a person sticks to the words found in the scriptures.

The Bible should be able to speak for itself on matters of God-blessed human sexuality right?

There should be no offence taken if we all stick to the text correct?

So if you should seek to defend Gay sexuality?
Fine it's a free country, go right ahead.
But if you want to convince me just stick to the text.

[stanman13]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

...But if you want to convince me just stick to the text.

How about this text:

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

As you do unto the least of your brethren, so do you unto me.

Let him among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

[MontanaGuy]

alanMolstad wrote:

Love the sinner, But show nothing but real hate for the sin itself.
Let the person know that you are not attacking them personally, but rather you are attacking Godless actions and sin-filled thinking, (as should we all )

I've heard statements like that many times but what exactly is it about same sex couples engaging in sex that should cause you to hate what they're doing? It's not something that appeals to me personally either but I basically don't think it's any of my business what consenting adults have a desire to do and I really don't give it much thought. I honestly have never understood why so many Christians get so wound up about this issue. There's a small percentage of human beings who are attracted to members of the same sex. So what?

[alanMolstad]

Love thy neighbor as thyself....no greater cause you can do for another person is to warn them that unless they repent and change they will not enter into the Kingdom....