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Old 03-28-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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No they didn't. He didn't do well in NYC. He only lasted 18 months.
WRONG.

He was a smashing success as far as crime reduction:
"when Bratton resigned from the NYPD, felony crime in New York City was down 39 percent, homicides were down by 50 percent...

"Bratton left New York as the world's most celebrated police chief. Business school professors hailed his "tipping-point leadership" and studied innovations such as Compstat, the computerized statistics system that Bratton developed to measure results and motivate commanders. Protégés applied the Bratton playbook in cities such as Philadelphia, Baltimore, Providence and Miami, often with impressive results."

William J. Bratton

And so then LA hired him. End of story.

 
Old 03-28-2013, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Then why did he get forced out after 18 months if it was Bratton, and NOT Giluliani who was responsible for crime going down? Seems to me if he was such a smashing success as "Governing.com" claims, he would have been kept on.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Then why did he get forced out after 18 months if it was Bratton, and NOT Giluliani who was responsible for crime going down? Seems to me if he was such a smashing success as "Governing.com" claims, he would have been kept on.
Yeah well, while you ponder on that the numbers speak for themselves:
"when Bratton resigned from the NYPD, felony crime in New York City was down 39 percent, homicides were down by 50 percent.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Yeah well, while you ponder on that the numbers speak for themselves:
"when Bratton resigned from the NYPD, felony crime in New York City was down 39 percent, homicides were down by 50 percent.
Seems the credit went to Giuliani who was re-elected. Bratton got kicked out of town.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Seems the credit went to Giuliani who was re-elected. Bratton got kicked out of town.
Yes and then LA picked him up and made him their police chief.

 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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Sounds like a personality conflict was involved to me, kinda.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Sounds like a personality conflict was involved to me, kinda.
Could be. New York's Crime rate dropped for 7 straight years though.

I'm not sure how someone who only spent 18 months as Commissioner, then got ousted, could be given credit for 7 years of work over someone who was Mayor of the City for 8 YEARS.

Maybe you can 'splain that one Senno buddy?
 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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He shouldn't be given any more credit than for the 18 months he did serve in NY.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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He shouldn't be given any more credit than for the 18 months he did serve in NY.
And should he be given all credit for those 18 months? For instance CompStat, NYC's system for mapping crime over geographical areas, was Jack Maple's idea, not Bratton's. I do think Bratton should be given SOME credit, but Giuliani's entire mayoral platform in 1993 was "tough on crime", and he brought in Bratton to help him with that, not the other way around.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Sounds like a personality conflict was involved to me, kinda.
Oh, absolutely. You could also chalk it up to Giulani's ego - not wanting to share credit when Bratton got some publicity for it.

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