Challenging the notion that South Texas isn't Southern (Houston, San Antonio: area, accents)

[Suesbal]

Originally Posted by Julio July

What a silly thing to base your argument on. Music is UNIVERSAL. Shania Twain is Canadian and Keith Urban is Austrailian. Does that make Canada and Austrailia part of the U.S. South, just because they sing Country music, sing in Southern accents, and have adopted Southern culture in order to promote themselves as Country singers?

Shania and Keith don’t talk Southern.

[NoClueWho]

Originally Posted by Suesbal

Shania and Keith don’t talk Southern.

I didn't say they TALK Southern. Re-read my post.......

[Foamposite]

Originally Posted by Julio July

If a person identifies as a St. Bernard and walks around barking, does that make them a dog?

:WOOF! WOOF!: LOL!!!

Bad analogy

They identified as Southerners because they are from the South (even if it's the Western edge)

[NoClueWho]

Originally Posted by Foamposite

They identified as Southerners because they are from the South (even if it's the Western edge)

I honestly think that at the time that song was made in the 60s, a lot of Texas singers who were singing Country music were seen and treated as kind of "fringe" country artists who weren't seen as or treated like they were quite as "pure" as the Country artists who were coming out of Nashville or places closer to Nashville, like Kentucky, Alabama, etc. So when they gave interviews or talked to people OUTSIDE of Texas like they are doing in the video you poseted, they kind of just gave into or played up the whole "Southern" image that people who weren't Southern lumped them into, to help promote their brand. But even today, Texas Country music is VERY distinct and is a brand all its own, mostly because it plays up Texas culture and promotes being TEXAN (ever heard of Pat Green?). In fact, it's often been grouped in its own sub genre called "TEXAS Country." A lot of Country artists from Texas whose careers spanned past the 60s or who came later on like Willie Nelson made no bones about being as TEXAN as they were Country. But you can also be "country" and be from Michigan (like Kid Rock) or California (like Ronald Reagan), so being country alone doesn't automaticaly make you Southern.

[Redlionjr]

This thread again? It'll never die. Glad I'm from the only real southern part of the state. *quickly runs out the room* LOL

[turf3]

Ronald Reagan wasn't "country" nor was he from California. If you want to pick an actual country musician from California, why wouldn't you point at Merle Haggard?

[NoClueWho]

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

This thread again? It'll never die. Glad I'm from the only real southern part of the state. *quickly runs out the room* LOL

LOL!!! Yeah, I think I'm done here. The handful of people who are keeping this going refuse to listen to the vast majority, find fault in any logic or facts presented, and are just going to keep going in circles. No need wasting time going back and forth. I do less and less of that with people, the older I get. Just don't have the patience for it.

[NoClueWho]

Originally Posted by turf3

Ronald Reagan wasn't "country" nor was he from California.

He wasn't originally from California, but lived the majority of his life there---which made him Californian even if he wasn't a NATIVE Californian---and he had a carefully crafted "country" image, making one of his homes on a ranch in the mountains of Southern California, riding and raising horses, and wearing stetson hats and boots in his downtime.

Originally Posted by turf3

If you want to pick an actual country musician from California, why wouldn't you point at Merle Haggard?

I was just picking an example of ANY person in general that there are "country" people in pretty much every state, even outside of the South, since the OP wants to equate being country with being Southern. But if you want to pick an actual country singer, then fine...go with Merle Haggard! (GREAT example, by the way) That still doesn't dissprove my point...it actually STRENGTHENS it.

As I said, though, I'm going to let y'all have it from here. No need wasting time going in circles and back and forth over this topic, which by this point, has been beat deader than one of Ronald Reagan's old horses.

[supfromthesite]

Originally Posted by Julio July

I honestly think that at the time that song was made in the 60s, a lot of Texas singers who were singing Country music were seen and treated as kind of "fringe" country artists who weren't seen as or treated like they were quite as "pure" as the Country artists who were coming out of Nashville or places closer to Nashville, like Kentucky, Alabama, etc. So when they gave interviews or talked to people OUTSIDE of Texas like they are doing in the video you poseted, they kind of just gave into or played up the whole "Southern" image that people who weren't Southern lumped them into, to help promote their brand. But even today, Texas Country music is VERY distinct and is a brand all its own, mostly because it plays up Texas culture and promotes being TEXAN (ever heard of Pat Green?). In fact, it's often been grouped in its own sub genre called "TEXAS Country." A lot of Country artists from Texas whose careers spanned past the 60s or who came later on like Willie Nelson made no bones about being as TEXAN as they were Country. But you can also be "country" and be from Michigan (like Kid Rock) or California (like Ronald Reagan), so being country alone doesn't automaticaly make you Southern.

Pat Green has a song where he is upset about being around a bunch of yankees.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by supfromthesite

Pat Green has a song where he is upset about being around a bunch of yankees.

Pat Green grew up in Waco. No one is disputing its southern.