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No, it wasn't from Kolars book. My post specifically spoke of Meyer.
A poster wrote on JB III #435: "From James Kolar's book, Foreign Faction, page 61: "Further inspection revealed that the hymen was shriveled and retracted, a sign that JonBenet had been subjected to some type of sexual contact prior to the date of her death.
"Dr. Sirontak [Chief of Denver Children's Hospital Child Protection Team] could not provide an opinion as to how old those injuries were or how many times JonBenet may have been assaulted and would defer to the expert opinion of medical examiners."
Kolar was incorrect. I responded to that poster, and my response to the above poster (#440), which states it was a quotation of jameson’s that was refuting prior abuse, became embedded in your quote, #443:
Quote:
Originally Posted by virgode
Above indicates Meyer agreed with Sirontak on JBs
prior abuse without certainty of when.
A poster wrote on JB III #435: "From James Kolar's book, Foreign Faction, page 61: "Further inspection revealed that the hymen was shriveled and retracted, a sign that JonBenet had been subjected to some type of sexual contact prior to the date of her death.
"Dr. Sirontak [Chief of Denver Children's Hospital Child Protection Team] could not provide an opinion as to how old those injuries were or how many times JonBenet may have been assaulted and would defer to the expert opinion of medical examiners."
Kolar was incorrect. I responded to that poster, and my response to the above poster (#440), which states it was a quotation of jameson’s that was refuting prior abuse, became embedded in your quote, #443:
Hmm...looked through jb111 a bit last night, will look again from my lap top, they're harder to find reading from my phone. The post I'm thinking of was this year, long after jameson posted with us.
Edit
Would be great if we had a thread for posting depos, revelant info and research we've all done.
I'm not following you. What do you mean by cross referencing?
I've found the info in Carnes Report needs further research ( as well as Bonita Papers ) An example: BPD officers release from JonBenet case I found formal complaints filed on these two; one was for releasing of crucial case info. I thought my post was clear; maybe not.
From the VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF STEVEN THOMAS – WOLF CASE
September 21, 2001
"10 Q. Did you ask Jeff Shapiro to find
11 out who was telling people in Boulder that
12 you were the source for the Vanity Fair
13 article?
14 A. If we had a conversation in which
15 I asked him to do that, I certainly wouldn't
16 deny it.
17 Q. And he told you -- do you recall
18 him telling you it was Bill Wise, Alex
19 Hunter's assistant?
20 A. He may have.
21 Q. And you responded, Those f******,
22 he said, almost as if he were catatonic.
23 Then he got louder. Those f*******, he
24 repeated. Those f*******, he shouted. Jesus
25 Christ, Jeff, do you know what the f*** will
338
1 happen to me if it comes out on national
2 television that I had anything to do with
3 this f****** article while I'm up here, he
4 asked. I'm up here with the FBI, man. Do
5 you have any idea how f****** embarrassing
6 it's going to be if we're all sitting in a
7 room together with CNN on and that comes over
8 it? F***, it's going to make that whole
9 department look like s***. Jesus Christ,
10 Jesus Christ.
11 Did you ever say anything like
12 that to Jeff Shapiro, sir, in a telephone
13 conversation when you were in Quantico?
14 MR. DIAMOND: Are you reading from
15 something you would like to share?
16 MR. WOOD: My notes.
17 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) Did you have a
18 conversation with words to that effect when
19 you talked to Mr. Shapiro about who was
20 saying that you were the source for the
21 Vanity Fair article?
22 A. Again, Mr. Wood, it leads me to
23 believe that he was in fact probably taping
24 these telephone conversations. Yeah, I spoke
25 with him at a period that I was very upset.
339
1 Q. You don't deny making those
2 statements, do you, sir? I'm sorry for the
3 language for the court reporter's sake but
4 it's business and I think everyone understands
5 that. You don't deny making those statements
6 at all, do you, because you --
7 MR. DIAMOND: In those words?
8 MR. WOOD: Oh, yeah. These are
9 quotes pretty much that I was reading.
10 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You don't deny it
11 under oath, do you, sir?
12 A. I don't know if those are quotes
13 or not but I probably had a conversation
14 similar to that."
Thomas had leaked undisclosed, confidential information from the BPD to a columnist at Vanity Fair, who published the article in 1997. The article included information that was later found to be untrue.
From the VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF STEVEN THOMAS – WOLF CASE
September 21, 2001
"10 Q. Did you ask Jeff Shapiro to find
11 out who was telling people in Boulder that
12 you were the source for the Vanity Fair
13 article?
14 A. If we had a conversation in which
15 I asked him to do that, I certainly wouldn't
16 deny it.
17 Q. And he told you -- do you recall
18 him telling you it was Bill Wise, Alex
19 Hunter's assistant?
20 A. He may have.
21 Q. And you responded, Those f******,
22 he said, almost as if he were catatonic.
23 Then he got louder. Those f*******, he
24 repeated. Those f*******, he shouted. Jesus
25 Christ, Jeff, do you know what the f*** will
338
1 happen to me if it comes out on national
2 television that I had anything to do with
3 this f****** article while I'm up here, he
4 asked. I'm up here with the FBI, man. Do
5 you have any idea how f****** embarrassing
6 it's going to be if we're all sitting in a
7 room together with CNN on and that comes over
8 it? F***, it's going to make that whole
9 department look like s***. Jesus Christ,
10 Jesus Christ.
11 Did you ever say anything like
12 that to Jeff Shapiro, sir, in a telephone
13 conversation when you were in Quantico?
14 MR. DIAMOND: Are you reading from
15 something you would like to share?
16 MR. WOOD: My notes.
17 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) Did you have a
18 conversation with words to that effect when
19 you talked to Mr. Shapiro about who was
20 saying that you were the source for the
21 Vanity Fair article?
22 A. Again, Mr. Wood, it leads me to
23 believe that he was in fact probably taping
24 these telephone conversations. Yeah, I spoke
25 with him at a period that I was very upset.
339
1 Q. You don't deny making those
2 statements, do you, sir? I'm sorry for the
3 language for the court reporter's sake but
4 it's business and I think everyone understands
5 that. You don't deny making those statements
6 at all, do you, because you --
7 MR. DIAMOND: In those words?
8 MR. WOOD: Oh, yeah. These are
9 quotes pretty much that I was reading.
10 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You don't deny it
11 under oath, do you, sir?
12 A. I don't know if those are quotes
13 or not but I probably had a conversation
14 similar to that."
Thomas had leaked undisclosed, confidential information from the BPD to a columnist at Vanity Fair, who published the article in 1997. The article included information that was later found to be untrue.
Wonder if Thomas were asked to resign or left voluntarily? Hunter leaked too; what a mess. Shapiro...hes another one.
A poster wrote on JB III #435: "From James Kolar's book, Foreign Faction, page 61: "Further inspection revealed that the hymen was shriveled and retracted, a sign that JonBenet had been subjected to some type of sexual contact prior to the date of her death.
"Dr. Sirontak [Chief of Denver Children's Hospital Child Protection Team] could not provide an opinion as to how old those injuries were or how many times JonBenet may have been assaulted and would defer to the expert opinion of medical examiners."
Kolar was incorrect. I responded to that poster, and my response to the above poster (#440), which states it was a quotation of jameson’s that was refuting prior abuse, became embedded in your quote, #443:
Sorry for the confusion....and yes those are the posts.
Well.... jameson and Kolar obviously on opposing sides; she disputes pretty much everything but Carnes Report and Lou Smit.
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Lots of inaccuracies in Kolar's book (also discussed on previous threads; below is in excerpt)
"page 63 - Again with the prior abuse and the questionable wording. Meyer sought the opinions of other medical people - I don't know if he did, but know for a fact the BPD did. Standard procedure.
"Dr. Sirontak... had recognized signs of prior sexual trauma but neither he nor Dr. Meyer were able to say with any degree of certainty what period of time may have been involved in the abuse."
Ummm, prior to WHAT? Her death?
Yes, she was sexually assaulted before she died - the autopsy proves it. The same autopsy, and Dr. Beuf's records, would point away from any abuse taking place before that night.
Again, from the autopsy: "Genitalia: The upper portions of the vaginal vault contain no abnormalities. The prepubescent uterus measures3 X 1 X 0.8 cm and is unremarkable. The cervical os contains no abnormalities. Both fallopian tubes and ovaries are prepubescent and unremarkable by gross examination." Had that digital penetration taken place time and time again, the evidence would have been there.
But the wording of that first paragraph in chapter 6 sure doesn't reflect the truth." -jameson
Meyer sought the opinions of other medical people - I don't know if he did, but know for a fact the BPD did. Standard procedure
"Dr. Sirontak... had recognized signs of prior sexual trauma but neither he nor Dr. Meyer were able to say with any degree of certainty what period of time may have been involved in the abuse
Above indicates Meyer agreed with Sirontak on JBs
prior abuse without certainty of when.
Assuming JBs visits stated by Beuf true, only one vaginal infection; would this be enough for him to say with certainty, no signs of prior sexual abuse.
Did he do a complete internal exam, we don't know.
Exams done on children reporting sexual abuse differ from normal pediactric exams.
Actually, there were three people who physically examined her body, who all came to the conclusion that there was no prior sexual abuse. They were: Dr. Meyer, the coroner, Dr. Sirontack, whom he called in, and Dr. Beuf, her pediatrician.
Contrast that with Thomas's claim that the "pediatric experts" whom the BPD consulted with--who NEVER examined her body, only reports--came to a conclusion that (surprise) corroborated the BPD theory.
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