Malaysia Flight 370? (aliens, UFO, vision, government)
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With the Govt we have in place and its history, I would not be surprised if even the craziest conspiracy theories were true!
Just look at some of the funding included in this last Stimulus bill as a great example!!! (now imagine the things they fund that do not make the news!!)
But we understand why our government 'helps' those that that helps them. It is all about one hand washes the other hand and it is corruption at the very least. Of course it needs people to be aware and to expose it for what it is.
As far as the other side, with the craziest conspiracy theories; they muddy the water. Our government is all that keeps us from total anarchy, like what we are seeing in some of the western cities currently. Are we better off with mob rule? Ask the store keepers that are leaving these cities and ask the law abiding citizens that are left to fend for themselves. When your side, with those crazy conspiracy theories, get together you leave rubble left behind - are we better off; I don't think so!
If you read the Seventh Sense by Lyn Buchanan, one of the remote viewers, he says that the project was funded each year and they never knew whether they would get funding until the last momen. Sometimes they were going to shut the project down, yet just in the nick of time, some agency stepped up and funded them.
That went on for at least 24 years. Why should agencies fund them if they were not useful on some level? It is not as if the government has to fund a loss-maker for tax purposes like businesses do. All that happened in the end was that someone in government decided they wanted the project to be closed (as far as the public was concerned) so they created a report which gave that result. If anyone bothers to investigate, there were plenty of accurate RV session results done over those 24 years.
As someone who is very familiar with government grants. If it even worked kinda sorta in a big small way it would have never been a problem with grant money. The reason they didn't now from year to year is because it didn't work. When stuff doesn't work you get grants by who you know and who you are sharing the benefits with. At least that is my real life experience.
I am sure they got many accurate results. Just like psychics do now by throwing out hundreds of guesses and getting one correct. Forget the hundreds of wrong guesses and scream from the rooftops about the one they got correct.
As someone who is very familiar with government grants. If it even worked kinda sorta in a big small way it would have never been a problem with grant money. The reason they didn't now from year to year is because it didn't work. When stuff doesn't work you get grants by who you know and who you are sharing the benefits with. At least that is my real life experience.
I am sure they got many accurate results. Just like psychics do now by throwing out hundreds of guesses and getting one correct. Forget the hundreds of wrong guesses and scream from the rooftops about the one they got correct.
Now my local TV stations have many advertisements for lotteries and casinos. All of them show the winners. But they overlook the millions that lost so a handful of winners can brag about the money they won.
For the most part remote viewing looks more like a political pork barrel project set up to take care of the friends of our congress first. If it truly did work there would be no need for us to spend hundreds of billions and many trillions on spy planes and satellites. We apparently learned our lesson and moved on. We still have satellites and the spy planes, but we gave up on the remote viewing.
Now my local TV stations have many advertisements for lotteries and casinos. All of them show the winners. But they overlook the millions that lost so a handful of winners can brag about the money they won.
For the most part remote viewing looks more like a political pork barrel project set up to take care of the friends of our congress first. If it truly did work there would be no need for us to spend hundreds of billions and many trillions on spy planes and satellites. We apparently learned our lesson and moved on. We still have satellites and the spy planes, but we gave up on the remote viewing.
Since when do you know all the 'deep black' projects our Govt currently has going on?
Generally, the public is kept out of the loop on these, and since they are 'SAP black'....they answer to no one essentially, even though they use taxpayer money.
As someone who is very familiar with government grants. If it even worked kinda sorta in a big small way it would have never been a problem with grant money. The reason they didn't now from year to year is because it didn't work. When stuff doesn't work you get grants by who you know and who you are sharing the benefits with. At least that is my real life experience.
I am sure they got many accurate results. Just like psychics do now by throwing out hundreds of guesses and getting one correct. Forget the hundreds of wrong guesses and scream from the rooftops about the one they got correct.
We have one report which says that it did not work. This report was designed to show a reason to close the project - what??? AFTER 20+ years. Even a super inefficient government does not fund something for 20+ years if it is does not work. Think of the number of times the folk who allocate money to these things have changed in 20 years. Do you really think it is is a series of guys funding their mates project? Thats ridiculous.
The security services need to get answers and if they do not have the people on the ground who can give them that info, then they have to use satellites or fly-overs to get their info. If they cannot get the information by those regular means, then they have to try whatever but it does not mean they waste money and time with unproven methods. Someone somewhere MUST have thought it worthwhile.
You may have experience of allocating funding of normal projects but I doubt you have experience in the funding of secret and black projects being funded. There are probably different 'rules' being applied for these, because some very secret projects are not going to be exposed, even for the reason of getting funding. There is probably a 'pot' of money allocated and then the guys in the know are the ones who apportion those funds. Maybe even the money comes from "other sources" (CIA drugs money, arms sales, etc) and it never goes through the funding process at all.
We have one report which says that it did not work. This report was designed to show a reason to close the project - what??? AFTER 20+ years. Even a super inefficient government does not fund something for 20+ years if it is does not work. Think of the number of times the folk who allocate money to these things have changed in 20 years. Do you really think it is is a series of guys funding their mates project? Thats ridiculous.
The security services need to get answers and if they do not have the people on the ground who can give them that info, then they have to use satellites or fly-overs to get their info. If they cannot get the information by those regular means, then they have to try whatever but it does not mean they waste money and time with unproven methods. Someone somewhere MUST have thought it worthwhile.
You may have experience of allocating funding of normal projects but I doubt you have experience in the funding of secret and black projects being funded. There are probably different 'rules' being applied for these, because some very secret projects are not going to be exposed, even for the reason of getting funding. There is probably a 'pot' of money allocated and then the guys in the know are the ones who apportion those funds. Maybe even the money comes from "other sources" (CIA drugs money, arms sales, etc) and it never goes through the funding process at all.
The grant writers I know are also life long politicians and have been grant writers for decades. It is a job they keep while going from one political position to another. They 100% favor pet projects. I will admit I know nothing about the specifics of grants for "secret" projects.
As a business owner I have had grants written to pay me for my work. I also have one of those "interesting" relatives who has got grants for a lot of things over the years that amount to doing little to nothing but accepting checks.
We have one report which says that it did not work. This report was designed to show a reason to close the project - what??? AFTER 20+ years. Even a super inefficient government does not fund something for 20+ years if it is does not work. Think of the number of times the folk who allocate money to these things have changed in 20 years. Do you really think it is is a series of guys funding their mates project? Thats ridiculous.
The security services need to get answers and if they do not have the people on the ground who can give them that info, then they have to use satellites or fly-overs to get their info. If they cannot get the information by those regular means, then they have to try whatever but it does not mean they waste money and time with unproven methods. Someone somewhere MUST have thought it worthwhile.
You may have experience of allocating funding of normal projects but I doubt you have experience in the funding of secret and black projects being funded. There are probably different 'rules' being applied for these, because some very secret projects are not going to be exposed, even for the reason of getting funding. There is probably a 'pot' of money allocated and then the guys in the know are the ones who apportion those funds. Maybe even the money comes from "other sources" (CIA drugs money, arms sales, etc) and it never goes through the funding process at all.
You talk about all the government secrecy, but you forget that if any of these programs worked, that private industry would use them to beat their competition.
How many years ago did we hear of all this stuff? Remote viewing, telekinesis, levitation, and other physic powers to beat our enemies and what happened to all of those studies? It went no place. It wasn't just our government looking into this, college campuses and other groups were interested. If our government could do it, then they felt they could. You don't hear of it now because most people figured out that it doesn't work.
So many holes in your post, I don't know where to begin.
I will try to take them one at a time.
How did the military analyze "radar screen photos", when the radar was unable to track the flight?
It took them three days to do it.
When the transponder is turned off, the blip of the airliner can't be distinguished from all of the private planes in the air.
They painstakingly tracked EVERY unidentified blip on the photos periodically taken of the RADAR screens.
They followed the path of every private plane on the RADAR screen photos through blip by blip tracing.
The remaining blips were reconstructed as the path of MH370.
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How did the plane send signals to anything(including satellites) if all communication in the plane were turned off?
They missed one system when they turned off communication. It was ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System). It sends performance data to the company and works the in-flight phones.
This unit was not in the cockpit, but halfway back on the plane's fuselage.
It responded to 7 half-hourly communications pings (an "are you there" signal) after the plane stopped communicating by other means.
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With all communications turned off, how would anyone know the plane was on autopilot?
From the positions given by the ACARS pings. Engine data were also sent in the pings.
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Cruising at 35,000 feet, a "soft landing" would be impossible.
Even at descent, the plane would pick up speed, and hitting the ocean at speed greater than 100 Knotts, would shatter the aircraft into a million pieces.
This depends on what was programmed into the autopilot.
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Hitting the ocean from that height, and speed, would be like running into a cement wall.
Not in the equivalent of a dead stick landing.
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Using your analysis, the plane supposedly "sunk to neutral buoyancy" level, then floated with the current until it "hit something and broke apart".
If it had anyone, or anything on board at the time of this "hitting something", the contents of the plane would have floated to the surface somewhere.(ie, bodies, clothing, luggage etc.)
Not necessarily. If part of the bottom had been ripped off, only stuff that doesn't float so well would have come out.
When the transponder is turned off, the blip of the airliner can't be distinguished from all of the private planes in the air.
They painstakingly tracked EVERY unidentified blip on the photos periodically taken of the RADAR screens.
They followed the path of every private plane on the RADAR screen photos through blip by blip tracing.
The remaining blips were reconstructed as the path of MH370.
They missed one system when they turned off communication. It was ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System). It sends performance data to the company and works the in-flight phones.
This unit was not in the cockpit, but halfway back on the plane's fuselage.
It responded to 7 half-hourly communications pings (an "are you there" signal) after the plane stopped communicating by other means.
From the positions given by the ACARS pings. Engine data were also sent in the pings.
This depends on what was programmed into the autopilot.
Not in the equivalent of a dead stick landing.
Not necessarily. If part of the bottom had been ripped off, only stuff that doesn't float so well would have come out.
You just want it to have happened YOUR way.
If the transponder were turned off, which it, along with all other communication were, how would any "blip" be possible?
A blip is a signal, and part of communication.
Without communication(which authorities say happened) there is no signal to measure.
If the transponder were turned off, which it, along with all other communication were, how would any "blip" be possible?
A blip is a signal, and part of communication.
Without communication(which authorities say happened) there is no signal to measure.
The SDU (satellite data unit) remained operative while the transponder was turned off, it sends and receives signals over the satellite communications network; this operates independently from the other onboard systems that communicate via SATCOM.
Signals from the SDU are transmitted to a communications satellite, which amplifies the signal and changes its frequency before relaying it to a ground station, where the signal is processed and, if applicable, routed to its intended destination (e.g. Malaysia Airlines' operations centre); signals are sent from the ground to the aircraft in reverse order.
When the SDU is first powered on, it attempts to connect with the Inmarsat network by transmitting a log-on request, which is acknowledged by the ground station. This is partly to determine whether the SDU belongs to an active service subscriber, and also to identify which satellite should be used for transmitting messages to the SDU.
After connecting, if no further contact has been received from the data terminal (the SDU) for one hour, the ground station transmits a "log-on interrogation" message, commonly referred to as a "ping"; if the terminal is active, it will respond to the ping automatically. The entire process of interrogating the terminal is referred to as a "handshake".
After last contact by primary radar west of Malaysia, the following events were recorded in the log of Inmarsat's ground station at Perth, Western Australia (all times are MYT/UTC+8):
02:25:27 – First handshake ("log-on request" initiated by aircraft)
02:39:52 – Ground to aircraft telephone call, acknowledged by SDU, unanswered
03:41:00 – Second handshake (initiated by ground station)
04:41:02 – Third handshake (initiated by ground station)
05:41:24 – Fourth handshake (initiated by ground station)
06:41:19 – Fifth handshake (initiated by ground station)
07:13:58 – Ground to aircraft telephone call, acknowledged by SDU, unanswered
08:10:58 – Sixth handshake (initiated by ground station)
08:19:29 – Seventh handshake (initiated by aircraft); widely reported as a "partial handshake'", consisting of the following two transmissions:
08:19:29.416 – "log-on request" message transmitted by aircraft (seventh "partial" handshake)
08:19:37.443 – "log-on acknowledge" message transmitted by aircraft (last transmission received from Flight 370)
The aircraft did not respond to a ping at 09:15.
A few deductions can be made from the satellite communications. The first is that the aircraft remained operational until at least 08:19 MYT—seven hours after final contact was made with air traffic control over the South China Sea. The varying burst frequency offset (BFO) values indicate the aircraft was moving at speed. The aircraft's SDU needs location and track information to keep its antenna pointed towards the satellite, so it can also be deduced that the aircraft's navigation system was operational.
Since the aircraft did not respond to a ping at 09:15, it can be concluded that at some point between 08:19 and 09:15, the aircraft lost the ability to communicate with the ground station. The log-on message sent from the aircraft at 08:19:29 was "log-on request"; there are only a few reasons the SDU would transmit this request, such as a power interruption, software failure, loss of critical systems providing input to the SDU, or a loss of the link due to the aircraft's attitude. Investigators consider the most likely reason to be that it was sent during power-up after an electrical outage.
At 08:19, the aircraft had been airborne for 7 h 38 min; the typical Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight is 5 and a half hours, so fuel exhaustion was likely. In the event of fuel exhaustion and engine flame-out, which would eliminate power to the SDU, the aircraft's ram air turbine (RAT) would deploy, providing power to some instruments and flight controls, including the SDU.
Approximately 90 seconds after the 02:25 handshake—also a log-on request—communications from the aircraft's in-flight entertainment system were recorded in the ground station log. Similar messages would be expected following the 08:19 handshake, but none were received, supporting the fuel-exhaustion scenario.
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