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Atlanta was 61% black in 2000, yet it seems to have done well. I mean, yes, it's losing it's black majority, but how come it didn't decline then?
Because Atlanta's Black community at the time had a different class of blacks, many of whom were college educated at many of the HBCUs in the Atlanta area and/or were entrepreneurs. Basically, a large percentage of blacks in Atlanta had education and money, so Atlanta is probably the one exception in the entire USA.
But even Atlanta's black community is running pretty low on class these days. A lot of the "high end" areas in Atlanta have started to become ghetto. The thing saving Atlanta these days is the fact that there are different types of people from all over the country and the world moving there now, not just Black Americans.
In the Atlanta suburbs, when the black population of an area rose, crime begin to increase dramatically. Perfect examples are Clayton County and Dekalb County. Both Counties lost or are beginning to lose school accreditation and has a lot of corruption within it's government. Meanwhile, the suburbs with the best schools are vastly majority white or Asian in the northern suburbs of Alpharetta, Johns Creek, Sandy Springs, and Roswell.
Now I'm not saying all black people are criminal....not even most...but per capita, crime among blacks are probably the highest in the nation. Notice how crime in Atlanta has dropped considerably over the years as the black population percentage continues to decrease. When you look at the statistics, there's a pretty good correlation between black population of an area and the crime of an area. Blacks are still on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to median income and education attainment.
This is the simple and sad truth. Take out Atlanta and put the name of any of the majority black cities that were listed and the same still applies. I don't see how anyone, black or white, can deny the correlation.
I see a lot of folks on here making excuses for these places and for the self-inflected crime, lack of education, and poverty that many of the black residents wallow in. White people don't try to make excuses for poor, low class, uneducated, trailer park trash, so why do black people always feel the need to make excuses for poor, low class, uneducated, ghetto trash?
Because Blacks at the moment are still on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to income, there are generally much more poor blacks than other races, maybe other then Hispanics. You're making the assumption that majority of blacks are educated and middle class when this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, probably nearly 1/3 of all blacks fall below the poverty line. This causes crime among blacks to increase dramatically.
But the you have to ask yourself. When Katrina hit New Orleans, why was there so much looting going on(and we're talking flatscreen T.Vs, not food and necessities), but when the Earthquake/Tsunami hit Japan, there was little looting?
There's just not enough of a black middle class to offset the black lower class. Sad, but true fact.
BINGO!!!! But even then, you have to ask yourself: How come you can take a community of equally poor and uneducated white folks in, say a trailer park, and when you compare it to the poor, uneducated black neighborhood, the crime still isn't anywhere near as bad as in the poor white neighborhood even though they are both equally poor?
To me, this indicates that black people not only need to work harder and place more value on education, but many of them also need to work on their character, morals and ethics as well. And really, if they'd take care of the latter, then the former would be a breeze.
That's why the a lot of the whites who worked at the same industrial factories in places like Detroit, Flint, Baltimore, etc. were able to transition out of the inner cities and to the suburbs while blacks stayed behind to make up the majority of the rotten, crime and poverty filled cities that they are in today. So don't blame it on the industries closing. Blame it on poor blacks not taking advantages of the same opportunities that everyone else had---like education---to get out of the inner city slums and improve their situations in life.
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Actually, the question is what happened to the poorest of the Black population? The Black middle class has quadrupled since the days of Dr. King and Rosa Parks. Things for the Black middle class are better than before. However, for poor Blacks or the working class Black population, things are quite hard, especially with the decline of the industrial base.
With marriage rates, they have dropped, and so has the birth rate for Blacks. However, the question is this. Can it be broken down by income level? If we look at that, it might make some interesting revelations.
Another factor with marriage rates is that they are down among all races. Single parenthood is also up in all races and doesn't get into divorce and the historical breakdown of the nuclear family for Black folks since arrival. So, even that isn't as cut and dry as people think it is.
The middle class Black population is larger than ever. Before this increase in the middle class, Blacks were much poorer in general and there were alot more poor Blacks. However, Black crime didn't begin to get bad until the 1970s, as drugs were being brought into the USA.
There are more Blacks in the middle class today than ever before, and more Blacks are in the middle class than there are poor Blacks. If you add in those persons who are upper class, even more so. It is a question of a large gap between the Black middle class and the poor Black population.
Yet there were more Black owned businesses and more Black self-sufficiency prior to desegregation. That says a lot.
Moreover, the problem I see even with many middle class Blacks these days is that even though they pull themselves out of poverty, they never lose their ghetto mentality and attitude. This also presents a huge problem to the present day Black community, as Blacks like that might as well have just stayed in the hood with the poor lower class Blacks instead of trying to take the hood with them where ever they go. That's a recipe for disaster.
Nah, I just think this conversation is miscategorized. The title is about urban planning but the conversation has descended into bigotry. Is there a racist trolling subforum? Perhaps we can get it moved there.
Chernobyl. It ain't comin' back for at least another 20,000 years.
And look at Carthage. It's been on the downslide for more than 2,000 years.
So the moral of the story is that a nuclear disaster or a major military defeat and subsequent conquest could set a city on a trajectory of irreversible decline.
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Yet there were more Black owned businesses and more Black self-sufficiency prior to desegregation. That says a lot.
Moreover, the problem I see even with many middle class Blacks these days is that even though they pull themselves out of poverty, they never lose their ghetto mentality and attitude. This also presents a huge problem to the present day Black community, as Blacks like that might as well have just stayed in the hood with the poor lower class Blacks instead of trying to take the hood with them where ever they go. That's a recipe for disaster.
Do you have proof for any of this? I could see the business aspect, but I don't know if the rest is necessarily the case.
I think sometimes that there a revisionist history at times. For instance, I believe according to the Bureau of Justice, the Black on Black violent crime in 2006 was lower than White on White violent crime rates in the early 1970's, if I'm not mistaken.
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