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Old 06-25-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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There is a station at the Franklin Institute. And yes, it is much warmer than Central Park in every month. I should add that it is the northernmost station in the US with a month averaging a low above 70 F.

I'm telling you that is pretty accurate. The city rarely goes below 70F at night in July and August. It just doesn't. The airport does, but not the city. To me, that station in Central Park is only representative of Manhattan and nothing else.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Arundel, FL
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I'm telling you that is pretty accurate. The city rarely goes below 70F at night in July and August. It just doesn't. The airport does, but not the city. To me, that station in Central Park is only representative of Manhattan and nothing else.
Manhattan is generally what most people think of when they think of NYC, so I would consider it the "best" NYC station, even if another borough (Brooklyn, Queens?) has more people.

Franklin Institute averages 88.8 F/71.7 F in July. Big difference from the airport.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Munich, Germany
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Philadelphia airport


Franklin Institute
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: New York
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There is a station at the Franklin Institute. And yes, it is much warmer than Central Park in every month. I should add that it is the northernmost station in the US with a month averaging a low above 70 F.
LGA averages a low of 70.2F in July (1981-2010 averages).
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Arundel, FL
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LGA averages a low of 70.2F in July (1981-2010 averages).
Wow, I never knew that. Though the 1981-2010 normals say 69.5 F.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: New York
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Wow, I never knew that. Though the 1981-2010 normals say 69.5 F.
I don't get why there's a discrepancy between the "normals" and the averages, it's weird. But it says 70.2F on NOAA's NowData feature.

NYC (all cities, really) could use a station in a location like Franklin's Institute in Philly, it'd be interesting to see how it differed from the airports (and Central Park).
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Arundel, FL
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I don't get why there's a discrepancy between the "normals" and the averages, it's weird. But it says 70.2F on NOAA's NowData feature.
Yeah, I saw that. There always seems to be a difference between the two.
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:42 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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This forum can't agree on the definition of subtropical because there are people in the NE US who think their absolutely pathetically cold winters don't matter when it comes to climate classification.
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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I was just looking around the climates around the Black Sea and I always heard how the south western coast was considered humid subtropical.

But after looking, How can Varna and Constanta be considered subtropical if their winter lows on average are 28.9F and 27.9F respectively and record low of -13F !!! for Constanta. And then Cities such as Seattle and Portland with average winter lows of 35F are seen as fridged.
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Koppen was too lazy to be more precise, and subtropical covers a large part of the USA which is segmented in very different climates. Atlanta and NYC are nothing alike, yet are both considered subtropical.

But that's the same problem for many climate types. Take Cfb/"oceanic": Are Dublin and Budapest the same climate ? And what about comparing Copenhaguen and Bordeaux ?

That's why we have lengthy debates !

Also, I believe there are far fewer debates to determine the various types of desert climates because very few people live there (and if they do, they're not busy posting about it on the internet).
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