Should we fire the EXCELLENT EMPLOYEE who lied on his job application? (find a job, companies)

[irvm]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

Uh huh.. I bet he does. He is a liar.. He compromised his ethics (if he has any).

I'd doc his pay since his experience was a lie.

While that SOUNDS good, your company CEO is really gonna be upset when
you dock HIM $20 mil.

Because you know they ALL lie thru their teeth.
But I guess you couldn't say they compromised their ethics - most don't have any.

[Chinolala]

Let him go

[nl2134]

I'm sorry, but this is a huge integrity issue. The man blatantly lied on his application, got the upper hand for the job and landed it, extremely unfairly. He was caught totally red-handed and I would kick him out ASAP, no questions asked at all. His explanation won't make up for his total lack of judgment.

Hopefully this will teach him a lesson - dishonesty is not a good trait.

[nicolem]

Originally Posted by cdelena

It shows a character flaw and demonstrates a history of dishonest actions. I could never trust that individual and would immediately discharge him.

I agree-get rid of him.

[ComputerUser000]

Dingler:


I think you made a good decision.

If I were in your situation, I would've sat him down, had a talk with him and if he owned up/admitted to everything, suspended him for 2 weeks without pay and told him a very complete background check will be done and he will be on probation for 90 days when he comes back.

Originally Posted by Dingler

I and some other managers sat him down and had a long talk. He came clean but begged for his job.

He claimed that he had chosen some bad fits in the past and had been fired twice due to a poor fit. He had no references so he was unemployed for almost a year. His job search being honest had been fruitless. He was broke and desparate so he decided to lie. His past had really turned him into a better employee because he told him self that if he ever got another job in his field again he would be the model employee, which is what he is.

As a Human Resources professional I can relate to his problem. I see many bad managers eat up and spit out their employees just because they have a different personality. I see the results of a bad fit all the time and the end results are not pretty. I can also see how in a competitive job market people who were fired from two jobs in a row can have an almost impossible time getting a job. But...........

We let him work through the week and a decision will be made on Friday.

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by nl2134

I'm sorry, but this is a huge integrity issue. The man blatantly lied on his application, got the upper hand for the job and landed it, extremely unfairly. He was caught totally red-handed and I would kick him out ASAP, no questions asked at all. His explanation won't make up for his total lack of judgment.

Hopefully this will teach him a lesson - dishonesty is not a good trait.

Oh my...and human resources, managers, CEOs, the whole lot of them have ethics??? Come on! Since when are companies all pure and honest?
Companies will lie to you, to do what they want. Some will let you accept a job, get all ready to come on board, then hire someone else at the last minute over you.
Or, let you accept a job, and then keep looking, just to keep you as a back up, in case they find someone else with more experience or cheaper, whatever.
I think employees are now doing whatever they can to find jobs. Employers don't have any problems lying to you or screwing you over, so why give them the moral high ground?

[Magnolia Bloom]

If you didn't follow your P & P manual, that could be trouble down the road. Not just for this employee, but for future employee issues.

The worst part of this is the length that he went to. Very elaborate scheme. Almost sociopathic.

[Travelling fella]

reflect about it when you are alone and in silence.

try to mentally put yourself in the employee's shoes before deciding anything.

if you believe in God ask him for counseling and guidance.

[bigdummy]

I pulled off a similar stunt back in 2000, right after I had graduated college. After several months of unsuccessfully searching for a job, I changed my resume to say I had worked someplace I had never actually worked, and enlisted a couple friends to act like they were my managers, when called for a reference.

During my fruitless job search, I was told time, and time again, that they liked me, but needed someone with experience. The obvious question, was how am I supposed to get experience if nobody will hire me?

I felt bad about lying, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Honesty doesn't pay the rent or put food on the table. My phony experience got me a great job, where I worked my tail off, and was soon their star employee, pulling the weight of all the "experienced" people who didn't work half as hard as I did. Was it wrong...absolutely. But now that I'm the manager, if I had a star employee who I found out did this, I don't think I'd fire him. I'd have a stern talk with him and maybe put him on probation.

Once you tell him the *** is up, you can use his reaction to help you decide whether he is truly worth keeping. This will be an opportunity to see his true colors.

[Fnix]

You guys got tricked into hiring him. You guys should be fired. yes fire the smart, and hard working ones.