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Employer knowingly retains employee after discovering fraudulent information regarding background, experience ...
The employee will talk/bragg about it sooner or later. The company is wide open to EEOC complaints and law suits.
Very doubtful as he would need references within the company for future employment. His future with the present company is going to be severely curtailed.
He'll have no direct contact with the government client.
He won't be allowed to work independently. He'll be more closely supervised. and his work is going to be heavily scrutinized.
His prospects for advancing to a team leadership or supervisory role within the present firm are probably nil.
His future with the company has a very low ceiling.
Location: Life here is not an Apollo Mission. Everyone calm down.
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Personally, I wouldn't fire him and I definitely would not tell him the company knows...don't want to alter the performance and productivity.
Some people know that they don't look good on paper, yet have great work ethic and skill...he obviously knew he was as good a fit with your company as he's turned out to be.
I'd keep a close eye on him, but I'd definitely not fire him. Now if his performance goes south...then he'd be in for some news.
you MUST let this guy go. do you really want someone working for you that is willing to lie, cheat, or steal to get what he wants??? who cares how productive he is....his ethics are obviously non-existent. if it was me, this guy would be gone already.
basically, this is a "does the ends justifies the means" question. in this case, i say no.
He is still working there and puts in long hours. He is a great employee but a good con man. I like the guy and wish him well but found his situation interesting for a good discussion.
Let me tell you on thing. 50% in the industry are fake in one way or the other. Its all depends on demand and supply. If you think you can not survive with out him keep him if not give a try by valuating his performance.
Dont think we always recruit GOD and Goddesses. people do mistake to over come the flaw recruiting process. Again I am not encouraging this, but once happened like this.
A fresher hired by a multinational comp as full time. on the 7th day HR found a small mistake(non technical) in his job app which seems to be very intentional. HR called him to HR office and double checked with him which he admits. They called his manager on fifth floor and ask him to bring down all his belongings and escorted him to the main gate. And it all happened in 3 hour time frame. Usually big companies will get pissed off and HR might take personal when it comes to dishonesty. Because every one wants to work for Big companies....
If I were you. I would see if I can replace him with out any impact. If not I would evaluate him for no further mistakes and give him a last chance with no errors.
Another story I remember back home. A fresher lied his experience, impressed interviewer and got the appointment letter from the great multinational company. But instead of joining the company on start date, he called the PM/VP of the company and he confesses about his mis behavior and requested like this.
I lied and it is my mistake. But to be frank I dont have that experience that you see on my resume. Since I am outstanding in the interview process you can see I am eligible for that Job. Sorry for misguiding but if you are still interested I cal start my work on the start date.
VP of that company called him and told. We like your honesty but dont want to encourage mis behavior. We are still interested in hiring on these clauses.
1> If you do three technical mistakes(even small once) OR If you do one moral mistake, you can leave the company voluntarily.
But After 1Year they gave him a hike.
Above said two companies are multi national IT firms with 50,000 employees each. It all depends. There are no RULE for these. How practical your company policy is.
Good luck and for the curiosity sake PLS post here what your action is.
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I would send him packing. Should 'doing a good job' be valued over 'having a sense of personal ethics?' He lied big time on resume (if he's making up entire companies). What if this person stays with your company, moves up the ladder a little, and then lies about something that can get your company into a lot of trouble? How will you ever know if what he says to you is true or false? I've worked in environments where there was a sense of distrust for specific individuals and it can have a negative impact on an entire department. I know that a lot of people stretch things a little on their resumes, but this was a 'big lie.' That shouldn't be rewarded. I bet if you looked around the marketplace, you would find another excellent employee--but one who is also honest and has a sense of ethics.
Don't run security checks if you don't want to know. I know a lot of successful business people who are corrupt in one way or another. Some make their way to the top by climbing over the dead bodies of their coworkers. We live in a ruthless world where people are motivated by money and power, not scruples. It's a sad but true commentary.
If the person is a superstar ignore it. If the person is that determined to get the job in the first place you have to give them credit for effort and he then proved himself to be an outstanding employee. Sometime people have to do what they have to do to get a job. If this was discovered within a month of the hire and they are still in the probation period then they don't have to time to prove themselves. At that point they'd be called in on it and/or let go. What do you do to the people who have no background at all or to the people who knew someone and got in via a hook up and yet have poor performance.
Let the guy stay and don't call him in on it. I think it works out for him and your company. Don't shoot yourself in the foot. The last thing you want to do is get rid of him b/c of that and get someone else who can't perform half as good as him.
Give him a break. It's tough getting a job out here. I've seriously considered lying on my resume. Alot of people actually do. Sometimes employers ask too many questions and want to pry too much into your past. For example, in the past 3 yrs, i've had sketchy job stability. I'm not a loser. I don't do drugs. I'm an excellent employee, but I have not found a good job that i'm happy with. So rather than have to sit there and explain why i left each job, it's easier to lie and leave them out and make up a job or stretch the truth a bit. I'm sorry but employers have no loyalty to employees these days and I have none towards them either.
I just read through this thread, and I know it's old news, but it's really shocking to me.
I mean, are y'all kidding? What freaking world do you live in?
I see a lot of comments about "people do not change their character" and "if he lied about this he's lying about other things" and other similar assumptive statements.
These are the types of ridiculous positions that business, bosses, and HR people take that increase and solidify the growing resentment towards corporations and the corporate lifestyle - you're all just shooting yourselves in the foot on a large scale. Why the hell would anyone choose to work for a business like this, to suffer through such a poor, draconian employment setting? Talk about being cogs in a machine...
It's hypocrisy at its finest, too. As it's been pointed out earlier, how often do businesses fudge and lie and cut corners and misrepresent and operate in the most ethical manner? I have yet to see one large business in my years that can't be called out on their shady practices in one way or another. And now some managers and HR people here get their panties in a bunch because they've been victim to the very same bs they help perpetuate? Come on.
Look, I understand that it wasn't honest and that it shouldn't be swept under the rug. That's fine - and you can deal with it in other ways. But at the same time to make a leap that this is something indicative of his character is flawed thinking on your parts. He could have done it for a variety of reasons, but I can't think of one that necessarily reflects poorly on his character. Rather it shows he's playing the game by the VERY RULES YOU ALL HELP ESTABLISH in one way or another.
The bottom line is that thus far he's been a great employee with an exemplary record. You've done right to put him on notice, and perhaps investigate further into his background. But so long as continues to do the job at the level he has, what's the problem? He's shown that he's capable, which is all that background information he lied about was intended for. It's not like he lied to get the job but then was unable to perform because of lack of experience. He can do the work, and he does it well.
All of you managers, business owners, and HR people - bottom line is this is the employment climate we live in today. When business starts rooting itself in ethical standards and operate with integrity is the day employees will do the same. But so long as the business world is a a cutthroat, competitive, dog-eat-dog environment that cares more about productivity and making money than it does about the people that do the work for them, people are going to do whatever it takes to get a job they know they can perform (and don't flatter yourselves - most of the work out there is so inane and simple a monkey can do it), get their paychecks, and care less about their integrity in regards to the business world. It's the model you create. Especially if someone has been continually rejected from jobs he knows he can perform simply because he lacks experience. Point is, be a little more human, employ a little more communication and dialogue, and quit being so ridiculously robotic, impersonal, and enslaved to your HR policies.
Ugh. I'm absolutely disgusted at some of you, and wouldn't work at your businesses if you paid me double or triple what everyone else makes.
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