McSally vs Sinema (living in, cost, legally)

[Hschlick84]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

You and I have very, very different opinions. But you can't live in a city and be a "low tax" conservative it's hypocritical. People in cities see the obscene levels of automobile traffic, their future neighbors going to public school and getting terrible education (who knows what they could grow up to be, right?), want access to natural, untouched areas and realize that the best way to handle these issues is to invest in public transportation with higher levels of capacities than cars for less taxpayer money, public schools, and parks.

Conservatives are supposed to be for low taxes yet choose one of the most inefficient taxpayer lifestyles to live it's funny to me (the suburbs). If that's how you want to live, move to Wyoming. But not the big cities of Phoenix and Tucson.

And most Arizonans live in Phoenix and Tucson (~80% or so) so yeah it's no surprise we get senators closer to "our" interests. They need our votes to get elected.

What about the other exaggerated 20% or so outside Phoenix/Tucson? If their voices don't matter then the senator doesn't represent the people. This is a prime example why the urban vs rural divide keeps growing throughout the country. It's not stopping and will break up the country. Honestly, the US state borders don't reflect the current geographical landscape. Maybe we should go to this map, if all secessionist movements throughout history were successful.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-USA-been.html

[skydude24]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

I prefer an Anacho-capitalist society, but that would never happen. Taxes are legalized thief.

How are taxes legalized theft? Taxes are paid by a fiat money that is required to be created in order for taxes to be paid. What exactly is being stolen?

[Bobdreamz]

Originally Posted by autism360

She is a socialist it does not get any more far left than that and she did not vote with Trump 62% of the time. A vote for sinema is a vote for mob rule. Vote for anti abortion and patriot MCsally if you want to have a free country with a booming economy.

Yes because nothing screams freedom like telling a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.

[Prickly Pear]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

What about the other exaggerated 20% or so outside Phoenix/Tucson? If their voices don't matter then the senator doesn't represent the people. This is a prime example why the urban vs rural divide keeps growing throughout the country. It's not stopping and will break up the country. Honestly, the US state borders don't reflect the current geographical landscape. Maybe we should go to this map, if all secessionist movements throughout history were successful.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-USA-been.html

Rural areas are already represented... the Senate. Conservatives still control the Senate and will probably do so as hypersegregation between urban and rural communities continue. Especially as there are more states without major urban centers than with one. But liberals will control the House.

Curious about your take on DC who has no representatives whatsoever.

Arizona has an urban city. Therefore it probably will have a Democratic senator, or two as the trend continues. But many states don't. They will most likely stay Republican. Unless under a rare circumstance (New Mexico, Vermont, etc.)

That map would be terrible, most places would be without water (Southern California for example needs Northern California for water supply), a lot of Nevada would be doomed. It wouldn't last that way in the long run.

[take57]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

McSally ran a really nasty campaign with some pretty disgusting lies about Sinema. She suggested that Sinema supported child prostitution, for example. People saw her negativity and also didn’t want a Trump clone. AZ is independent; we don’t want a follower afraid to challenge his nonsense.

I'll attempt to be even more succinct. The whole of McSally's campaign was that she flew a jet in the military and a vote for her was a vote for Trump.

[mauiwowie]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

People don't get and never will. This country will turn into Rome 2.0 or a third world cesspool in 100 years, mark my words.

This video nails it, demographics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZoW1Dqclc

Makes sense. That video is from a site that features white nationalists. No thank you.

[AZ Manager]

Originally Posted by Prickly Pear

New Mexico has been a liberal state, and it's not from transplants either. New Mexico was the liberal territory since the Civil War, where Arizona was part of the Confederacy instead. New Mexico is mostly rural, and very sparsely populated, so it's not even urbanization with New Mexico. It's demographics being minority majority and it's history with the Union and before the US, being a Spanish colony (Arizona wasn't really a Spanish colony back in the day in comparison to NM, because one of these states has a Rio Grande and the other doesn't...)

But yes, Texas has urbanization going on also and Texas will turn more moderate as well.

Technically southern AZ was part of the Confederate but it was the same for New Mexico so your a ways off there on your history.

During the civil war the Arizona territory was made up of the southern sections of both New Mexico and Arizona which was a Confederate territory with the territory of New Mexico being the top half of both states, Tuscon was the capitol of the Arizona territory. During the civil war the federal government changed the boundaries of the territories to basically what they are now and made Prescott the capitol, though this wasn't accepted until the end of the war obviously. Then after the war the capitol was moved back to Tuscon in order to keep the old Confederacy portion under watch. The it was moved back to Prescott and finally moved to a central location in Phoenix.

Back to the talk about McSally v Sinema:

Ducey took the governor race in a landslide AFTER the whole Red for Ed fiasco. Any thought that Arizona is turning purple or blue is without merit, just looking at presidential voting history shows no notable shift in decades. The only real movement was Trump ran people to third parties, not to the Dems, which is why I don't get the whole pro-Trump campaign McSally ran.

The fact is that McSally ran a terrible campaign and fumbled the most important question at her debate is why she may very well lose the race. Had this been a race with Lesko for example it wouldn't be close. We will see how moderate Sinema is in the Senate, if she goes to the left as expected there likely won't be a second term.

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

What about the other exaggerated 20% or so outside Phoenix/Tucson? If their voices don't matter then the senator doesn't represent the people. This is a prime example why the urban vs rural divide keeps growing throughout the country. It's not stopping and will break up the country. Honestly, the US state borders don't reflect the current geographical landscape. Maybe we should go to this map, if all secessionist movements throughout history were successful.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-USA-been.html

Lol. Sour grapes.

I don’t see Trump going out of his way to represent the actual majority of Americans who voted against him.

It doesn’t work that way.

And dude, chill out on posting NatC videos. You’re not helping your cause.

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Any statistics to prove this theory of yours? I’d imagine that the majority of those leaving CA are conservative, since liberals would be happier in the more progressive state. I think it has more to do with the fact that younger, educated and women voters turned out in record numbers; those that tend to not align with Trump “values”.

What is with your Trump hate? Why do you have to impugn anyone who may support Trump in your self serving, self elevating way?

[SkyDog77]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

What is with your Trump hate? Why do you have to impugn anyone who may support Trump in your self serving, self elevating way?

That didn’t seem like Trump hate. There is plenty of data available that show educated suburbanites who typically vote republican did not in this election and that this move was largely driven by their discomfort with Trump.