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Old 03-03-2017, 09:55 PM
 
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Old 03-03-2017, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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But the "aggregate effect" of giving up one TOD on the Metro area is a tiny drop in the bucket. Those, let's say, 1500 people will be spread over what? Dozens of areas? In what? Hundreds of neighborhoods? But concentrate them in a single area, and the effect on Brookhave is immense.
Unless the TOD acts as an anchor to many other developments around it.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Unless the TOD acts as an anchor to many other developments around it.
So then it will make the problem even worse for Brookhaven.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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But the "aggregate effect" of giving up one TOD on the Metro area is a tiny drop in the bucket. Those, let's say, 1500 people will be spread over what? Dozens of areas? In what? Hundreds of neighborhoods? But concentrate them in a single area, and the effect on Brookhave is immense.
However, multiply that "spread out" effect by about 3,000, and you get Metro Atlanta's development pattern over the past 50 years. What a smashing success that's been traffic-wise.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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So then it will make the problem even worse for Brookhaven.
Still better to have it around the transit station than not.

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However, multiply that "spread out" effect by about 3,000, and you get Metro Atlanta's development pattern over the past 50 years. What a smashing success that's been traffic-wise.
Exactly.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:03 PM
 
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However, multiply that "spread out" effect by about 3,000, and you get Metro Atlanta's development pattern over the past 50 years. What a smashing success that's been traffic-wise.
And that has nothing to do with an incredibly inefficient transit system called MARTA. People would ride MARTA if it didn't double their commuting time. The notion that people in these TOD projects would ride everyday or that people would ride to the office buildings within the TOD is laughable at best.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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However, multiply that "spread out" effect by about 3,000, and you get Metro Atlanta's development pattern over the past 50 years. What a smashing success that's been traffic-wise.
Yes, fine, we get it, literally no one here disagrees with that in the slightest. But you can not put the cart before the horse! The transit should be the priority, period! Build that first, then it will become possible for people to actually live in these TODs and not have to drive everywhere for everything.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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And that has nothing to do with an incredibly inefficient transit system called MARTA. People would ride MARTA if it didn't double their commuting time. The notion that people in these TOD projects would ride everyday or that people would ride to the office buildings within the TOD is laughable at best.
So, we shouldn't give more people easier access to the transit system because... the transit system isn't easy to access?

Building more on top of transit stations allow more people direct access to both residences and commercial properties, lowing commute times on that system.

Not building only scatters development and resents who could have otherwise used the transit, to places where they can't.


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Yes, fine, we get it, literally no one here disagrees with that in the slightest. But you can not put the cart before the horse! The transit should be the priority, period! Build that first, then it will become possible for people to actually live in these TODs and not have to drive everywhere for everything.
The transit is already built, in the case of the existing MARTA line and bus routes, or is on the way, in the forms of the bus system's overhaul and various high-capacity transit routes moving forward.

Density and transit are a supporting pair. Either one can lead to the other being better. More destinations / sources built around transit makes existing transit more useful, while more transit reaching more places make those places transit accessible.

Both expanding transit and increasing density around existing transit should occur at the same time.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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So, we shouldn't give more people easier access to the transit system because... the transit system isn't easy to access?
Uh, no. MARTA should offer a better product so that people would use it. You are saying that people who live on the rail would use it for work. Maybe 1 in 10 would is my best guess.

Why don't we poll people at Lindbergh.
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Uh, no. MARTA should offer a better product so that people would use it. You are saying that people who live on the rail would use it for work. Maybe 1 in 10 would is my best guess.

Why don't we poll people at Lindbergh.
1 in 10 is better than the 0 in 10 who would be able to use it if it was never built.

Building more around their stations, offering more housing, and food, and jobs, and shops right at their stations IS MARTA offering a better product.
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