New city population estimates from the census put Atlanta's population at 463,878 (Sandy Springs: living, plantation)

[bu2]

Originally Posted by wilful

Atlanta was/is the economic, cultural,transportation and entertainment hub that is the catalyst for the growth of the rest of the region in all directions. Without it you would not have had the explosive regional/suburban growth that has taken place over the last 50 years or so. All cities go through declines at one point or another but Atlanta was not in decline for long, and now is definitely headed in a very positive direction

Just a few examples of many.

Hartsfield Jackson International Airport
The Olympics
Coca Cola
Georgia Pacific
Georgia Tech
Emory University
Spelman
Morehouse
Emory & Piedmont Hospitals
Atlanta Braves
Atlanta Hawks
Atlanta Falcons
Georgia Aquarium
Fox Theatre
High Museum
Piedmont Park
Ritz Carlton

IMHO the growth of places like Sandy Springs,Roswell, Johns Creek,etc would not have taken place without a strong hub like Atlanta. In addition when most suburban residents are asked where they live they usually say Atlanta!

Emory and Emory Hospital are in unincorporated DeKalb County.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Well, I guess it's my fault for not being more explicit.

Cobb has been criticized many times on this board for not wanting to be annexed by the city of Atlanta.

My point is that the city of Atlanta would likewise resist being subsumed/taken over by another jurisdiction.

If folks have their own way of doing things and their own boundaries, they generally don't like somebody else coming along and saying, "We'll just take over your land and be your new government." Why should Cobb be singled out for criticism because they didn't want to be taken over by COA?

The example is:

Well what if Cobb, Gwinnett, Cherokee and Forsyth were just going take over MARTA?

There's a whole thread filled with hostility about that.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by rcsteiner

There are reasons for some hostility in both directions.

That doesn't make it constructive, IMO.

There's a lot in DFW as well. And with the large suburbs, there are a lot of different entities with some clout. But they manage to work together on some things. They have leaders trying to grow the pie, not trying to split it up with bigger slices for their side.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Well, I guess it's my fault for not being more explicit.

Cobb has been criticized many times on this board for not wanting to be annexed by the city of Atlanta.

My point is that the city of Atlanta would likewise resist being subsumed/taken over by another jurisdiction.

If folks have their own way of doing things and their own boundaries, they generally don't like somebody else coming along and saying, "We'll just take over your land and be your new government." Why should Cobb be singled out for criticism because they didn't want to be taken over by COA?

Theoretically, COA can annex unincorporated territory within Cobb County; lots of cities have territory in more than one county (and Atlanta already does as the city extends a little into Dekalb). That hardly means that COA is trying to "take over" Cobb. But as it was stated, one city can't annex territory that's already incorporated.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by Airforceguy

That's an increase of 43,875 from 2010.

Nice. Atlanta needs to keep growing. I've seen Minneapolis estimated at 416,760 in 2016, up from 383,012 in 2010, so it only added 33,748 during the same period. But Minneapolis is cold at times, and it also has a little brother city (St. Paul, est pop 302,097) that Atlanta doesn't have to mess with.

[wasel]

Originally Posted by wilful

Atlanta was/is the economic, cultural,transportation and entertainment hub that is the catalyst for the growth of the rest of the region in all directions. Without it you would not have had the explosive regional/suburban growth that has taken place over the last 50 years or so. All cities go through declines at one point or another but Atlanta was not in decline for long, and now is definitely headed in a very positive direction

Just a few examples of many.

Hartsfield Jackson International Airport
The Olympics
Coca Cola
Georgia Pacific
Georgia Tech
Emory University
Spelman
Morehouse
Emory & Piedmont Hospitals
Atlanta Braves
Atlanta Hawks
Atlanta Falcons
Georgia Aquarium
Fox Theatre
High Museum
Piedmont Park
Ritz Carlton

IMHO the growth of places like Sandy Springs,Roswell, Johns Creek,etc would not have taken place without a strong hub like Atlanta. In addition when most suburban residents are asked where they live they usually say Atlanta!

Hartsfield is not in City of Atlanta

[DJDeadParrot]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Why should Cobb be singled out for criticism because they didn't want to be taken over by COA?

So, extending MARTA into Cobb means CoA wants to take over Cobb?

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by wasel

Hartsfield is not in City of Atlanta

Part of it is and it is owned and run by CoA.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Theoretically, COA can annex unincorporated territory within Cobb County; lots of cities have territory in more than one county (and Atlanta already does as the city extends a little into Dekalb). That hardly means that COA is trying to "take over" Cobb. But as it was stated, one city can't annex territory that's already incorporated.

CoA should annex South Cobb industrial areas.

[waronxmas]

So, getting this back on topic, what do you figure the current ITP population is?

I added up all of the municipalities (City of Atlanta, Decatur, East Point, College Park, Hapeville, Clarkston, Brookhaven, Chamblee, Doraville, Dunwoody, Avondale Estates) and got to 803,020. However, there are few factors must be considered:

-Parts of Atlanta, Clarkston, College Park, Dunwoody and (most of) Sandy Springs lay OTP.
-Any part of ITP Dekalb not a part of the cities of Atlanta, Decatur, Clarkston, Doraville, Chamblee, and Dunwoody is unincorporated and takes up a great deal of land.

So how much to subtract and divide?

I don't have the patience to count up census tracts, but my guess is that of the incorporated cities that have land OTP there are a combined 100,000 to 150,000 residents not ITP. For unicorp, that number could be any where from 100,000 to 200,000 plus especially considering the high number of immigrants (legal and otherwise) that live in unicorp Dekalb and do not report their household info to the Feds.

So until someone counts it all up, ITP has anywhere from a low of 800,000 to just over a million residents. In other words, if incorporated, we'd fall in to the Top 10 or Top 15 municipalities list. Not too shabby.