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Ah and Toyota wanted consumers to believe there was no problem.
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Yep some people can’t let go of the past and they forgot about the Toyota stuck gas pedal, and the air bag. People can forget those problems but if it’s an American manufacture they can just never forget.
Think about Detroit and the average work ethic in America in general vs. Japanese work ethic and the general state of Japanese society. I've been to Japan and know what it's like.
Unless there's a MAJOR societal change of attitude in America, I can imagine Japanese cars will continue to dominate the market.
In terms of dependability and overall popularity, Japanese cars have outranked American cars for decades now.
Back in the 80s, the Honda Accord used to be the popular car. Then it became the Toyota Camry. Lexus has done very well in the luxury car market for a long time now as well.
Do you think American cars will be able to catch up and compete with Japanese cars again?
Of course they will. If they want to continue to sell cars and be competitive against all foreign makes. I believe it's quantity over quality here in the states, in the rush to beat the competition to the market. I also believe our capitalist culture plays a role as well, in the quest to make big profits, and quality is not put to the front of the line. We have the tools to be on the same level as the Japanese, but it has to start from the top. Japanese cars were not always where they are today, they worked hard over the decades to build quality cars.
Think about Detroit and the average work ethic in America in general vs. Japanese work ethic and the general state of Japanese society. I've been to Japan and know what it's like.
Unless there's a MAJOR societal change of attitude in America, I can imagine Japanese cars will continue to dominate the market.
I lived in Japan over two years, when I was stationed over there. And I agree, they have some really strong work ethic, I doubt very seriously that the majority of American worker will ever reach that level. I would go to work in the morning, and when I get off eight hours later, these old ladies I saw on the way to work that morning are still bent over in the rice fields around the base. I mean they were pretty old looking too, but they worked really hard.
That’s not entirely accurate and a simplistic view of it. You do realize that Toyota implemented the Ford Production System into their company after WW2, with some tweaks of course.
Not sure the accuracy of what you're saying. But that's irrelevant. What they use today is not that. Look up the Toyota Way
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If Toyota was so good why do they excel at cars but flop at trucks? That makes no logical sense....that’s because there are numerous factors that lead to all that. I could write a novel on the current state of the US auto industry and all the elements that go into it.
Toyota trucks and Ford/GM trucks are mostly not in the same segment, if you include all the different offerings of F150,250,350 etc.
You cannot put them all in one big label "trucks".
I don't think we need to go back and forth about the truck thing. A lot of people have mentioned it already.
Prove to me that american vehicles are more reliable than Japanese, with statistics, not anecdotes.
"hint: you can't"
Just as you can't prove the reverse, either. Consumer Reports and JD Power surveys, which so many people like to reference, are not the methods to determine that stuff, either, especially when they don't measure anything after the first few years.
Ford and Toyota both make some good vehicles and both make some duds. I think overall quality levels are pretty darn close between all brands of vehicles these days. On the full-size truck side (F-150 vs Tundra & Expedition vs Sequioa) Ford dominates and there is no debating that. We will see what happens with Ranger vs Tacoma, and obviously Toyota is surprisingly absent from building anything that competes with F-250-750, Econoline, Transit or Transit Connect.
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American big trucks dominate the segment of full size trucks, they always have and always will. Most owners are brand loyal, and their favorite brand goes back generations, and through the family. The Japanese have tried, but just have not been able to put any serious dent into the big three haul. Competition between the big three is fierce, and the consumer should benefit from that. All three put out some pretty good products, and I always believe truck quality have been better than the cars because of the fierce competition. Trucks are true bread winners for the big three, and they go all out to try to win your dollar. Nobody knows this segment like the Americans, they will always rule here.
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