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Old 03-20-2014, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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I had hoped the plane and passengers were on land somewhere, but each passing day with no word, no chatter makes that unlikely.

If the debris spotted is from the plane sadly we may never know who was responsible and why they did this. Not much closure for the families.
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I'm still doubting it was hijacked at all.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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The fire argument makes sense. what is shocking is that all communications would necessarily be lost/destroyed by the pilots in their attempts to extinguish the fire. Does this seem like a good engineering idea? To have all those communications on the system which must be eliminated to control a fire? I had no idea that this would be the case.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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That's just as likely to be 2 large pieces of Antarctica that have broken off and floating/melting away.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:30 AM
 
Location: The High Seas
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What ever happened to: "The imagery on our satellites is so good, you could read a license plate"?
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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The fire argument makes sense. what is shocking is that all communications would necessarily be lost/destroyed by the pilots in their attempts to extinguish the fire. Does this seem like a good engineering idea? To have all those communications on the system which must be eliminated to control a fire? I had no idea that this would be the case.
In the SwissAir incident, the pilots maintained communications with the ground even though there was an electrical fire. It seems unlikely that a fire could knock out all communications systems yet the plane still fly for hours, especially given the required redundancy and reliability of each system. In fact, the satcom system was apparently operational since it was "pinging" the satellite. Also, a fire supposedly took out comms but not the flight management system or anything else that would be needed to keep the plane airborne for hours?

While the pilot would have likely been focused on flying the plane to land it safely during a problem, the copilot would have been trying to call ATC to let them know there was a problem. If they had been able to land with a fire in the electronics compartment, they would have wanted firefighters to be on their way ASAP to aid in getting the fire extinguished and the passengers off of the plane.
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Old 03-20-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: ATL & LA
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I'm no expert, but I really can't see the debris spotted on satellite from Australia are the plane. I think this is just another lead that leads nowhere... But I guess we will find out soon enough!
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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In the SwissAir incident, the pilots maintained communications with the ground even though there was an electrical fire. It seems unlikely that a fire could knock out all communications systems yet the plane still fly for hours, especially given the required redundancy and reliability of each system. In fact, the satcom system was apparently operational since it was "pinging" the satellite. Also, a fire supposedly took out comms but not the flight management system or anything else that would be needed to keep the plane airborne for hours?

While the pilot would have likely been focused on flying the plane to land it safely during a problem, the copilot would have been trying to call ATC to let them know there was a problem. If they had been able to land with a fire in the electronics compartment, they would have wanted firefighters to be on their way ASAP to aid in getting the fire extinguished and the passengers off of the plane.
I hear your opinion and I agree with some of it however the pilot who posted clearly has knowledge of what "could" happen. What else are we left with.

Zero communication emanating from the airplane
Unknown location
No communications to any of 239 cell phones

Despite conjecture and opinion to me those are the only "facts".
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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What ever happened to: "The imagery on our satellites is so good, you could read a license plate"?
We obviously aren't watching an episode of NCIS.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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What ever happened to: "The imagery on our satellites is so good, you could read a license plate"?

The photos they are showing right now are from DigitalGlobe, a private company. They get their photos from various sources, including their own satellites IIRC, but definitely not from the US Military/CIA/NSA/NRO. Plus, there is probably not much reason to randomly photograph that part of the ocean with the best assets they have. Of course now that they have a better idea on where to look, maybe they can do that, but I doubt they let those photos become public at full resolution.
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