the "yes means yes" law (Oakland: buyers, design)

[West of Encino]

Originally Posted by Anonymous725

I've known girls steal used condoms from their roommates bins and steal the sperm to impregnate themselves so that they can claim rape and child support from the guy if they don't like their roommate.

I think this law is stupid. We have posters all around our college saying "Check Consent" and crap. People can imply consent while intoxicated.

This law is like a radical feminist fantasy.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Rakin

How does the law apply if they are out for the summer ?

The law applies on or off campus. Read the actual law, which chuckman was kind enough to cut and paste for us in an earlier post.

If they are not currently a student, then duh, the law that applies to students - wouldn't apply.

Originally Posted by Mack Knife

What if the man has something to drink as well as the woman?

Will the woman be held to the same standard as the man?

Uh, go back and read the thread. If the woman actually rapes the man, then yes. Duh.

If the woman is drunk but does not implicitly consent - per the definition of the actual law - then she has not consented, and it is rape.

Same would apply to a man. If he did not implicitly agree to the woman doing to him what is included in the definition of rape, then she would be guilty of raping the man.

The law does not say that men who are raped are not covered by this law.

The law is about consent. And consent cannot happen via silence, failure to fight back, etc. Consent must be a clear and undeniable declaration.

Really, go back and read the law and the entire thread.

[Wilson502]

Originally Posted by West of Encino

This law is like a radical feminist fantasy.

Definitely, and watching the apologists try to defend this garbage law is laughable to say the least.

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Liberal lunacy at it's finest on display again.

You mean unlike such swell ideas as "legitimate rape", or that rape victims should just "make the best of it"?!
Salon: Eight staggering GOP comments on rape and women

So what's the big deal with simply defining a legal criteria for campus rape incidents, no different than nailing down (pardon the pun) the standards for sexual harassment claims? This way it's as much a protection against bogus claims at it is for legitimate ones.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by mateo45

You mean unlike such swell ideas as "legitimate rape", or that rape victims should just "make the best of it"?!
Salon: Eight staggering GOP comments on rape and women

So what's the big deal with simply defining a legal criteria for campus rape incidents, no different than nailing down (pardon the pun) the standards for sexual harassment claims? This way it's as much a protection against bogus claims at it is for legitimate ones.

Why does ones enrolment in school determine the standard of rape?

And unless the man consented at every step he could just say he was raped as well, now we could have two people that raped each other at the same time.

[mateo45]

^ ^ Obviously you haven't been to a college in a long time (if ever), and you don't understand the reason for the law. BTW, what is it with conservatives and rape anyway, don't they have daughters too?! Although on the plus side, at least this time you didn't suggest we solve it with more guns!

[04kL4nD]

I guess I'm in the underwhelming minority here, but I think this law is sorely needed. Sexual assaults on campus are OUT OF CONTROL and most guys who sexually assault women get away with it. I think this makes everyone more accountable for their actions. The "well she didn't say NO!" excuse has gone on way too long. And like others have pointed out, being drunk and having sex with someone happens way too often. Personally, I think guys should AVOID drunk chicks at frat parties to protect themselves from being accused of 'rape' just as women should avoid getting plastered and having drunk sex with a guy that's only after her because she's drunk and doesn't have the judgment to protect herself. Sex in and of itself isn't a bad thing, but people use alcohol to reduce their inhibitions way too often. It's a cultural thing that needs to stop. One of the reasons it exists in the first place is the puritanical mentality people have had about sex for so long. If we stopped shaming everyone from wanting to get laid in the first place, we wouldn't have such an unhealthy culture and model of binge drinking that leads to hazy consent.

[Iaskwhy]

Originally Posted by mateo45

You mean unlike such swell ideas as "legitimate rape", or that rape victims should just "make the best of it"?!
Salon: Eight staggering GOP comments on rape and women

So what's the big deal with simply defining a legal criteria for campus rape incidents, no different than nailing down (pardon the pun) the standards for sexual harassment claims? This way it's as much a protection against bogus claims at it is for legitimate ones.

If both parties don't give an explicit "yes" to a specific sexual act, there was rape. How on earth does protect against bogus claims? Have you ever, once in your life given an ongoing explicit "yes" during sex?

[Iaskwhy]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

Sexual assaults on campus are OUT OF CONTROL and most guys who sexually assault women get away with it.

Please define out of control. If you are going off the 1 in 5 statistic that is pure bull****. The rate of real rape is much higher in Oakland where you live than at most schools. Should this law be in place in Oakland instead of schools?

I think this makes everyone more accountable for their actions.

I'll ask you the same question. Have you ever had ongoing explicit consent during a sexual act?

The "well she didn't say NO!" excuse has gone on way too long.

The excuse has gone on because it is a completely valid excuse. If you are to the point where you are fondling someone naked how is either party supposed to know how far to go unless someone is vocal about what is too far.

And like others have pointed out, being drunk and having sex with someone happens way too often. Personally, I think guys should AVOID drunk chicks at frat parties to protect themselves from being accused of 'rape' just as women should avoid getting plastered and having drunk sex with a guy that's only after her because she's drunk and doesn't have the judgment to protect herself.

I mostly agree.

Sex in and of itself isn't a bad thing, but people use alcohol to reduce their inhibitions way too often. It's a cultural thing that needs to stop. One of the reasons it exists in the first place is the puritanical mentality people have had about sex for so long. If we stopped shaming everyone from wanting to get laid in the first place, we wouldn't have such an unhealthy culture and model of binge drinking that leads to hazy consent.

Even though I am personally very liberal when it comes to sex, that is an equally valid reason to establish a much stronger puritanical mentality like the past. This wasn't an issue in the past because people wouldn't go out and get drunk and have sex with some random person, people kept it in their pants. In some ways I think the past was better because people were much less animalistic about sex, it was more civilized. I think it is interesting that people think it is modern and progressive to be liberal about sex when that is how many animals are and how ancient humans were.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Iaskwhy

If both parties don't give an explicit "yes" to a specific sexual act, there was rape. How on earth does protect against bogus claims? Have you ever, once in your life given an ongoing explicit "yes" during sex?

Does "oh yeah! Oh yeah!, oh yeah! Oh baby oh yeah!, yeah like that, yes Yes YES!" count?