Coronavirus (Campbell: alternate, homes, closing)

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Put two and two together. "Major" is most likely what he means.

Why do you bother posting and quoting articles if you're just going to speculate on what they are thinking? I've noticed you use the word probably very often, which is not logic or science, but your opinion.

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

We have to live in a nation where 1/4 of people won’t get vaccinated no matter what you do. We have a conservative Supreme Court so any challenge they receive, they will back less restrictions. We can also see that restrictions do NOTHING. Just look at hospitalizations and cases in places that are restricted vs. those that aren’t. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

Not to mention we still have the rest of the world, with some countries still hardly vaccinated. Even IF you could get everyone here vaccinated and IF that actually made covid go away in THIS country, the minute you have an infected person come across the border, here we go again, covid gets into the population and we're back at square one. You'd have to vaccinate the entire world which is impossible. OR you'd have the close the borders, which isn't going to happen if a democrat is in office and we also have tons of illegal immigration.

[As Above So Below...]

This sums up my feelings exactly complements of the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...t-it?_amp=true

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

How many single people are willing to put their lives on hold for 10 years? How many families are willing to raise their kids with their entire formative years at home with only remote interaction with the outside world and masked up and distanced when outside the home? Pretty much impossible.

No one is even talking about that. Can't you limit your focus on restrictions to the thread you started about that?

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Nobody has ever suggested that.

Amen.

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

Why vaccine passports won’t work: https://pix11.com/news/alexandria-oc...ive-for-covid/

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

This sums up my feelings exactly complements of the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...t-it?_amp=true

Interesting. I guess by the time everyone contracts this, the variant will have decreased enough so deaths will be less likely and it will resemble what we now call "the common cold." Ya think?

[goodheathen]

No. That isn't happening. Immunity doesn't last long enough, the common cold doesn't cause chronic illness, and other successful variants are almost guaranteed, say, within the next 12 months. The experts aren't disagreeing with me.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I’ve had one and only message: people should live in the world that is an not the one that isn’t. This idea that a new wave of restrictions is going come in the US and that people will obey it is foolish and naive. We have to live in a nation where 1/4 of people won’t get vaccinated no matter what you do. We have a conservative Supreme Court so any challenge they receive, they will back less restrictions. We can also see that restrictions do NOTHING. Just look at hospitalizations and cases in places that are restricted vs. those that aren’t. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

There is nothing you can do about any of that either. So leave the country or deal with it. You have no choice but to live in the world that is, not the authoritarian one you wish existed.

We see what you're doing. Words like "authoritarian" give it away. The point is to make me look bad and frankly unlawful when 1) the things I say can and likely will be done eventually mostly have been done before in the USA and 2) the only slightly right-ish court hardly would have a chance to block. For example, closing various venues when spread is high and many of those companies eventually closing because they're losing money. Also, more/lower capacity limits, more people required to wear medical-grade masks, more legal enforcement of quarantine, less tolerance for fake vaccine cards, less tolerance for careless employees who cause outbreaks, etc. Plus, funding for safer air and public education and warnings about unsafe gatherings. Not sure about vaccine rental/occupancy mandates, though they are legal and might help a lot. We know you are doing this (a close cousin of the "you're unreasonably fearful" tactic) because you don't want to change your lifestyle, but it's probably fact that you and many others will have to do so for the situation to significantly improve in not many years.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

No. That isn't happening. Immunity doesn't last long enough, the common cold doesn't cause chronic illness, and other successful variants are almost guaranteed, say, within the next 12 months. The experts aren't disagreeing with me.

Then whatever helps you sleep at night. I happen to think this thing will become less severe with each new contagion. And when they finally develop a true vaccine that will end it, you just have to live with what it is now. Those vaccine cards mean nothing now. And yet, companies still firing people for not getting vaccinated when the vaccinated are passing the virus too. Makes absolutely no sense to me. The entire world has gone mad!

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

Then whatever helps you sleep at night. I happen to think this thing will become less severe with each new contagion. And when they finally develop a true vaccine that will end it, you just have to live with what it is now. Those vaccine cards mean nothing now. And yet, companies still firing people for not getting vaccinated when the vaccinated are passing the virus too. Makes absolutely no sense to me. The entire world has gone mad!

Was Delta milder than its predecessor? No. Your argument fails. I know there's a long-term trend for that, but it's probably measured in decades for most viruses. Vaccines almost definitely significantly reduce the chance of illness that causes long absence and that's justification enough for mandates.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Was Delta milder than its predecessor? No. Your argument fails. I know there's a long-term trend for that, but it's probably measured in decades for most viruses. Vaccines almost definitely significantly reduce the chance of illness that causes long absence and that's justification enough for mandates.

Delta was definitely milder. In general emergency rooms and morgues were not overflowing, unlike NYC circa April 2020.