10-14-2009, 07:29 AM
Location: Florida (SW)
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18Montclair
As a person of color, I take issue with this insistence that your desire to marry is the same as my struggle for civil rights.
And I respectfully disagree with you. I was in Washington for the "I have a dream speech" and I marched in Selma and went to jail for civil rights in Georgia and Alabama.....and I am active in the movement for marriage equality. I am sorry that you are unable to see beyond your own situation.....but I am convinced the struggle is exactly the same.....Mrs. Corretta Scott King felt the same as I do about it. It is the same struggle. You apparently dropped out once you got yours, but we will never turn back and we shall overcome.
10-14-2009, 07:41 AM
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^Pretty sure gay people were never misplaced and then enslaved...
10-14-2009, 08:05 AM
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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elston
And I respectfully disagree with you. I was in Washington for the "I have a dream speech" and I marched in Selma and went to jail for civil rights in Georgia and Alabama.....and I am active in the movement for marriage equality. I am sorry that you are unable to see beyond your own situation.....but I am convinced the struggle is exactly the same.....Mrs. Corretta Scott King felt the same as I do about it. It is the same struggle. You apparently dropped out once you got yours, but we will never turn back and we shall overcome.
How can you
respectfully disagree and then tell me that I cannot see beyond my own situation and I have dropped out once I got mine?
LOL
See, this is where the waters get muddied and church and state inevitably mix.
What you call Equality, I call Sin.
So what do we do then?
Why not remove Marriage from Civil Law and give it back to churches. And then make all couples, gay or straight enter into civil unions that give all the rights and protections currently given only to married couples.
That satisfies the demands of equality and faith. And separates church and state.
10-14-2009, 08:08 AM
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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alexus
excellent montclair. This is exactly my point as well.
You're ok. I don't care what they say about you.
lol
10-14-2009, 08:57 AM
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18Montclair
As a person of color, I take issue with this insistence that your desire to marry is the same as my struggle for civil rights.
So the group that suffers the most gets to "pressure" society to "bend to its agenda"? That people of color suffered terribly in their struggle doesn't mean that another group that struggles in far more enlightened times should be looked down upon, which seems to be what you're doing here. You're not gay so maybe you can't understand this just as I'm not a person of color so I'll never understand life through your eyes. But at least I can empathize.
Just to clarify, there is NO agenda, just a demand for equality (edit: something you said is just sin in a post made after the one I quote above, but I agree about the separation of church and state). Were there fools in the 1930s (plus or minus) who thought people of color had an agenda? That kind of thinking is just as demonizing without justification.
10-14-2009, 09:26 AM
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sav858
Except they do, it's called "sex education" and kids start learning it in the 5th grade. How is that not teaching about men and women being together?
I think that is learning about conception isn't it?? Do they teach about sex for pleasure in schools??? I thought it was more about conception and how people are made~~
10-14-2009, 09:28 AM
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MCPatrick1970
I'm not religious but I do believe in nature. Two men/women can't hook up and have a child so why should my children learn about this lifestyle? If you put all the gays on an island in the middle of the ocean with infinite amenities, they'll still die off in a generation.
It's because as your children grow and as our society becomes more open your children will run across gay people. Would you rather have your children be scared and runaway and behave based on irrational fears of the unknown or be a positive member to society?
If you believe in Nature and the only reason we should live is to reproduce then we should get rid of women and men who have defunct reproductive organs not gays.
10-14-2009, 09:29 AM
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Clarks
Yes, kids learn about men and women getting married and being together and... god forbid, making babies..
You are right ..they learn about making babies! Something that gay people can not do...naturally anyway~~So what is the point to teach sexual preferences in schools?
10-14-2009, 09:33 AM
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mom2redheads
"LIFESTYLE" that is exactly what it is and I don't think it needs to be taught in school...kids do not learn about men and women getting married and being together so why learn about gays? It doesn't make sense to me...another reason to leave California. I do not hate gay people but I do not think it is something that needs to be brought into the schools...HOOOORAY THERE ARE GAY PEOPLE COME ON CLASS LETS CELEBRATE!!! Sounds kinda dumb to me!
I don't think being gay is a lifestyle its a life that someones lives.
If you don't want lifestyles taught in school then why do we teach history at all. History if filled with lifestyles like religion, military, fashion, music, arts, etc. These all occurred due to a lifestyle choice someone made, gay is not a choice someone makes (it's absurd that people actually think people choose to be gay especially in a society where life is already hard enough being yourself).
10-14-2009, 09:35 AM
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mom2redheads
You are right ..they learn about making babies! Something that gay people can not do...naturally anyway~~So what is the point to teach sexual preferences in schools?
Lets behead all the ladies who can't reproduce. They don't play a part in "nature" anyway!
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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