So hot. (Chicago, Rockford, Madison: apartment, how much, home)

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by Alacran

Why doesn't anybody care

In winter I see hundreds of threads of people whining.

This is horrible.

Because "real" Chicagoans don't whine about the weather. It's a heck of a lot worse in texas where it goes non-stop. At least we get the Canadian air in here once in a while for some breaks. Hang in there in a couple days it will be better.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Aleking

mean average daily dew points show a pretty clear picture of which places feel humid when it gets hot.

While most of the color-coding is self-explanatory, some of it isn't. Any chance you can link to the color key?

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Drover

There's an obvious relationship between humidity and dew points that was implied in the discussion when the old "dry heat" angle came up. When the comparison was between Minnesota and Chicago there didn't seem to be much point in bring in dew points since humidity, dew points and summer temperatures between Chicago and Minneapolis, which is the climate the vast majority of Minnesotans experience, are so similar as to make no practical difference. A "normal" July day in one feels much like a "normal" July day in the other.

When Kuala Lumpur was then brought into the discussion for the sake of comparison, I thought about launching into a discussion about the relationship between temperature, relative humidity, dew points, and human comfort. In the end I decided it wasn't worth the while when the other party seemed to have much greater personal investment in being "right" about the subject. Weather/climate seems to be a subject Mr. marothisu is quite passionate about.

It's not about who's right, it's about what the right answer it. Again, you can look at data all you want, but I'm actually a person who spent over 20 summers in Minnesota, and I've spent a handful of summers in Chicago. Linicx will back me up on this one as he already has.

Kuala Lumpur was brought into the mix because the data, as you're looking at, is similar to Chicago and midwest humidity wise, but the reality is that it is not the same thing. If you have never experienced it, you would actually think KL and Malaysia are similar with terms of human comfort but it's not. It's not even close even though the data says it's similar.

It's better to actually talk to someone who's experienced it first hand instead when there's a "human comfort" factor in this instead of just looking at tables. Minnesota is much more uncomfortable than almost any single summer day I have ever experienced in Chicago. Last week there was one day that was very humid and reminded me of muggy Minnesota summers. Otherwise, not even close. Go on thinking you have the right answer, but I experienced it for over two decades *first hand*. Almost every single day..and I do not miss the muggy summers there one f'ing bit.

Go downstate 100 miles away from Chicago as Lincix has said, and the humidity goes up from Chicago quite noticeably.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by marothisu

It's not about who's right, it's about what the right answer it. Again, you can look at data all you want, but I'm actually a person who spent over 20 summers in Minnesota, and I've spent a handful of summers in Chicago. Linicx will back me up on this one as he already has.

Kuala Lumpur was brought into the mix because the data, as you're looking at, is similar to Chicago and midwest humidity wise, but the reality is that it is not the same thing. If you have never experienced it, you would actually think KL and Malaysia are similar with terms of human comfort but it's not. It's not even close even though the data says it's similar.

It's better to actually talk to someone who's experienced it first hand instead when there's a "human comfort" factor in this instead of just looking at tables. Minnesota is much more uncomfortable than almost any single summer day I have ever experienced in Chicago. Last week there was one day that was very humid and reminded me of muggy Minnesota summers. Otherwise, not even close.

Go on thinking you have the right answer, but I experienced it for over two decades *first hand*.

OK marothisu. If you say so. Never mind that the data between Chicago and KL is actually very different. You want to win, go ahead. You win.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Drover

OK marothisu. If you say so. Never mind that the data between Chicago and KL is actually very different. You want to win, go ahead. You win.

It's not terribly different in afternoons. KL is about 5-7% higher relative humidity in afternoons than Chicago in the summer. Mornings are over 10% more humid in KL though, but by afternoon they aren't that far apart anymore.

We can agree to disagree, but again, I've experienced these places quite a bit. Guess that's not worth anything more in this world anymore. I'd much prefer a summer in Chicago weather-wise than Minnesota (except the thunderstorms are more fun in Minnesota than the city of Chicago usually).

[Drover]

You're right marothisu. Minnesota is a sweltering Hell in the summer compared to Chicago. I'm not sure why anyone would ever believe otherwise.

[Gemini1963]

Originally Posted by cubssoxfan

It's a heck of a lot worse in texas where it goes non-stop. At least we get the Canadian air in here once in a while for some breaks. Hang in there in a couple days it will be better.

I know I've made this point already but I should've provided a link to this lovely graph depicting last summer in Austin to illustrate the point. We were actually on the road between Dallas and Austin on Aug. 29th, and when the car's thermometer said that the outside temp was 112, we figured it was just measuring the asphalt temp on the highway. As it turns out: Nope. That was the actual "regular" temperature that day.

http://www.statesman.com/multimedia/...s_1140733a.jpg

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Drover

You're right marothisu. Minnesota is a sweltering Hell in the summer compared to Chicago. I'm not sure why anyone would ever believe otherwise.

Not always, only sometimes. We can agree to disagree. It's obvious you won't listen to someone who has two decades of personal experience. So we can agree to disagree in the end.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Gemini1963

I know I've made this point already but I should've provided a link to this lovely graph depicting last summer in Austin to illustrate the point. We were actually on the road between Dallas and Austin on Aug. 29th, and when the car's thermometer said that the outside temp was 112, we figured it was just measuring the asphalt temp on the highway. As it turns out: Nope. That was the actual "regular" temperature that day.

http://www.statesman.com/multimedia/...s_1140733a.jpg

Just one reason I wouldn't live in an area like Houston (I know this is Austin). I'm okay with dry heat, but once humidity comes into the picture, I'm gone.

[MassVt]

Sunday through Thursday look very good for you guys, and Sat night looks a bit cooler; hang in there..