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You're partly right. All will believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the Lamb slain as the perfect blood sacrifice of God to wash away sin; but, it won't do many of them any good because they will have become believers once they lift up their eyes in the eternal torments of that place called hell -- and there are no second chances.
It's obvious that UR's hate the true and living God, so they've gone about making up their own god who comforts their feelings.
Revelation 16
[5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy
[7] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
[8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
[9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
The true and living God is merciful to the righteous and holy, but He is judgement and wrath for those who won't repent of their sins. People must bow in humility with godly sorrow for their sins, and then, and only then, will His loving kindness and tender mercies be extended. Come to Jesus, the real Jesus!
Wouldn't that make you feel all happy and special?
Luckily it is as much absolutely imaginary and fanciful as it is absolutely obnoxious and grotesque ...
If you ask me, people really should keep their perverted fantasies to themselves.
That's why, when I was a teenager, I believed in the darkness. I believed that most of this planet was doomed, that darkness won, that evil was much more powerful than good, that life was meaningless, and on and on. I wasn't a pretty sight to behold. Maybe on the outside (), but I was an absolute mess on the inside.
The ET doctrine is an absolute nightmare for those who take it seriously.
That is to say excepting of course those that take some perverted pleasure in the myth of ET because the idea that most of humanity will be tortured and burned for ever assuages their perverted sense of "justice" and "holiness".
I got one for you to contemplate. A poster in another thread talked of Gods fairness, this was concerning the idea that babies can go to hell because they have not accepted Christ. The poster says no baby is in hell but has no scriptural evidence for it. The poster admitted there was no scriptural evidence within the paradigm of eternal hell that actually stated for a fact that babies are not in hell since they did not accept Christ before they died. And after some personal commentary decided that Gods fairness towards the Babies salvation without their acceptance of Christ was a "safe assumption".
So what is your take on Gods fairness?
Is it not fair, rather than emotional feel goodism, that if eternal hell exists and if the only way to avoid it in the new convenant is an acceptance of Jesus before you die on earth that anyone who doesn't including babies are going there?
Lets be consistant here, I found it quite interesting that the poster I speak of is adamant that all conclusions must be defined by the word of God, now makes a conclusion that has nothing to do with scripture but an assumption.
What say you?
I am that poster, and I did not just decide that those who are not volitionally able to make a decision to believe in Christ are saved
I addressed the issue of do babies go to heaven. Where the word of God states something, then one can be dogmatic about what is said. When the Bible is silent about something, then conclusions must be drawn based upon other things which are known.
What the word of God reveals is that man is born spiritually dead, and already under condemnation, and that those who die without Christ will remain under condemnation and spend eternity in the lake of fire.
What the word of God reveals is that Christ made salvation available to all through His work on the cross, but that salvation is only an actuality for those who make a volitional choice to believe in Christ.
What the word of God reveals is that when someone believes in Christ, God imputes both His perfect righteousness and His eternal life to that person. Without the imputation of God's righteousness and eternal life, no one is qualified to live in the presence of God eternally.
What the word of God reveals is that God is perfectly just and fair. And because of that, God saves those who receive Christ as Savior, and leaves in condemnation those who don't.
What the word of God reveals is that God requires a volitional decision from those who are able to make a volitional decision.
Now, the Bible doesn't address the issue of whether babies go to heaven.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume, that since God is just and fair, anyone who is unable to make a decision to believe in Christ either because they are to young to have developed the mental ability to even conceive of the concept of God, or because they are mentally retarded to the point where they cannot understand the issue, is automatically saved. And the logical conclusion would be that since a person must have the imputation of both God's eternal life and His perfect righteousness in order to be saved, that God makes those imputations at the point of death for the baby or person who dies prior to developing God consciousness-the mental ability to conceive of the existence of God.
Make no mistake about it. Those who are capable of understanding the issue involved in salvation are held accountable by God to place their faith in Christ for salvation. Those who don't are lost forever and will spend eternity separated from God in hell.
And as per the things I stated above, it is safe to assume that those who die without having reached the point of God consciousness are automatically saved. Now, I didn't just arrive at that conclusion. I simply addressed the issue.
There is someone on this forum, a Universalist, I don't remember who it is, who thinks that if you must believe in Christ for salvation, then you are taking credit for your salvation. That person thinks that you do not have to believe in Christ. Maybe he will come forward and own up to this.
There are many Universalist who beleive that people do not have to beleive in Christ and then there are the Christian universalist who beleive Christ is the only way.
The nail in Jesus' hand and feet is the ultimate nail that will doom Satan's lie...
Buddhist ? "doesn't matter ... you're UR !"
From what I understand, the Romans did not put nails into Jesus' hands because they could easily get ripped out. Instead, they were put in just above his wrist so they would be more secure.
By the way, what does UR mean?
I figure ET means people who believe in the End of TIme or the end of the world and judgement day. Am I right?
From what I understand, the Romans did not put nails into Jesus' hands because they could easily get ripped out. Instead, they were put in just above his wrist so they would be more secure.
By the way, what does UR mean?
I figure ET means people who believe in the End of TIme or the end of the world and judgement day. Am I right?
that is to say excepting of course those that take some perverted pleasure in the myth of et because the idea that most of humanity will be tortured and burned for ever assuages their perverted sense of "justice" and "holiness".
From what I understand, the Romans did not put nails into Jesus' hands because they could easily get ripped out. Instead, they were put in just above his wrist so they would be more secure.
By the way, what does UR mean?
I figure ET means people who believe in the End of TIme or the end of the world and judgement day. Am I right?
UR = Universal Reconciliation
ET = Eternal torment aka eternity burning in hellfire
Actually, I don't know if there is really a restoration. Because Adam never had the Holy Spirit to begin with. So I don't quite see myself as a UR in that sense. But if we interpret UR to mean Universal Reconciliation then I can see myself as a UR.
I got one for you to contemplate. A poster in another thread talked of Gods fairness, this was concerning the idea that babies can go to hell because they have not accepted Christ. The poster says no baby is in hell but has no scriptural evidence for it. The poster admitted there was no scriptural evidence within the paradigm of eternal hell that actually stated for a fact that babies are not in hell since they did not accept Christ before they died. And after some personal commentary decided that Gods fairness towards the Babies salvation without their acceptance of Christ was a "safe assumption".
So what is your take on Gods fairness?
Is it not fair, rather than emotional feel goodism, that if eternal hell exists and if the only way to avoid it in the new convenant is an acceptance of Jesus before you die on earth that anyone who doesn't including babies are going there?
Lets be consistant here, I found it quite interesting that the poster I speak of is adamant that all conclusions must be defined by the word of God, now makes a conclusion that has nothing to do with scripture but an assumption.
What say you?
I tried to post to that OP subject ... but while in attempting to do so it got closed...
Q. So what is your [my] take on Gods fairness?
A. It is not for humans to tell God what is fair. Simply, what Jesus specifically said in John 6:40 is in opposition to the liar of liars with his universalism propaganda:
Satan has no problem that people who are weak or gravitates to a feel good message hear what universalism is truly promoting by implication
"The Father's will (desire) is that everyone (all) shall have eternal life," **
UR promotes (explicatively or tongue in cheek)
1. removes the requirement of not believing in false religions BEFORE the resurrection as the condition for eternal life,
2. removes the authority of Jesus to send those who reject him (by the Father's will) to the place that Satan will be damned to .... hell.Matthew 25:41
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instead Jesus specifically said (which many anti-truth are having a cow about) is that God's will for eternal life is not going to be believed by "all"
John 6:40
For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
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Reason: clarification
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), but I was an absolute mess on the inside.
