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Brian, Finn_Jarber is right when he says that everyone is born with sin. Ask yourself this, how can a baby die if it doesnt' have sin? Then support from the scriptures how one can die at all without sin.
It seems we don't understand what death means. There is death and there is death. One is different from the other. The first death is the 'death' we experience after baptism. that is we are dead with Christ and resurrect with him.
The second death, the physical death occurs at any time after the first. For a sinner, the 2nd death may have a hold on him. For a righteous one, the 2nd death cannot stop him, in that he will surely reincarnate with another body on earth. When the Lord says there is no death for the righteous he means that they have qualified for the 2nd death which will have no hold on them. Sure, they will die physically, but they will return again to live on. That is the concept of everlasting life - cyclical, unending life. Folks think it means we will live forever in the world, but that is a carnal understanding which is wrong.
It seems we don't understand what death means. There is death and there is death. One is different from the other. The first death is the 'death' we experience after baptism. that is we are dead with Christ and resurrect with him.
The second death, the physical death occurs at any time after the first. For a sinner, the 2nd death may have a hold on him. For a righteous one, the 2nd death cannot stop him, in that he will surely reincarnate with another body on earth. When the Lord says there is no death for the righteous he means that they have qualified for the 2nd death which will have no hold on them. Sure, they will die physically, but they will return again to live on. That is the concept of everlasting life - cyclical, unending life. Folks think it means we will live forever in the world, but that is a carnal understanding which is wrong.
Scripture differentiated the deaths as physical and spiritual. All humans are concieved spiritually dead (Psalm 51:5). Jesus spoke of that as "flesh gives birth to flesh" (John 3:6). The second death was originally meant for Satan, but now is the fate of those who reject Jesus. That is the meaning of "2nd death" when Jesus said:
John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Everyone is born with a carnal heart. By definition a carnel heart is sinful, that's what carnal means. So yes babies are born sinful because they are born with a carnal heart.
Back then it was shadow Christology in other words Jesus had not came to the earth. There Abraham was first Jew and was chosen by the Lord (JESUS CHRIST IN Deity) The problem is phazelwood our churches teach religion and what you can do for God not on what God has done for you.There fore unfortunately people get turne doff to God because of these holier then thou people and never see God and what wonderful acts he did for the human race
scchulz you are right babies are born in sin and God can not recognize them. He is the perfect judge as he states all come short of the glory of God and through Adam all must Die (Spiritually to God)
Marlborn There are actually 3 deaths talked about in the Bible sexual death,spiritual death and physical death. When you say Jesus died on the cross for your sins this is not physical death as a lot of Christians think it is spiritual death. Jesus actually died twice on the cross the first death was spiritual death which is the most concerning to us as that is what paid the ransom for you to live in eternity with God. This is why Jesus yelled out My God GTF) My GOD (GTHS)
why have you forsaken me???? God and God The Holy Spirit could not even look at Jesus as he who knew no sin was being made sin for man kind.
Twin spin this is true if you reject the arbitrator then you come under the wrath of God. You will burn in the lake of fire forever. Why because God has perfection and none of us do and the only way to live with perfect God and not feel his wrath is to except Jesus as being your savor and that he took your sins on his body and spiritually died for them, so you in turn can have eternal life with God
scchulz you are right babies are born in sin and God can not recognize them. He is the perfect judge as he states all come short of the glory of God and through Adam all must Die (Spiritually to God)
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Originally Posted by baront70
Twin spin this is true if you reject the arbitrator then you come under the wrath of God. You will burn in the lake of fire forever. Why because God has perfection and none of us do and the only way to live with perfect God and not feel his wrath is to except Jesus as being your savor and that he took your sins on his body and spiritually died for them, so you in turn can have eternal life with God
Yeah, what a great loving and merciful God, who burns babies for eternity! ... What a sick religion, and how sick are the people who believe it ... There is nothing more perverted than that. All you fundies' are worshiping Molech, and you don't ever realize it.
How Ironic ... !
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