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Old 10-30-2011, 04:17 AM
 
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Is repentance a work?

Acts 2:38
“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Where do you read in these verses that water baptism is a work:
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.


Ephesians 5:25-26
Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Romans 6:3-5
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.

Galations 3:27
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Acts 22:16
And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’






Faith, repentance, confession, and baptism are works ordained by God created for us to do before the foundation of the world. These things are all part of God 's plan to save man. It is up to us whether we accep or reject. When we accept, then we are saved by God's grace, the blood of Jesus, and the renewal of the Holy Spirit.

When we submit to the will of Jesus, this is our point of pardon.

This is why we can say "Jesus is my Lord and Savior."

Katie
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Old 10-30-2011, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Diocese of Wheeling-Charleston
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Originally Posted by katiemygirl
There you have it! The plain, simple language of scripture. But some won't be satisfied with accepting that. The so called Greek language experts will come crawling out of the woodwork now to give their interpretation of what the verse is really saying. So let the twisting and private interpretations begin!

Katie


I love sola scriptura. Its plain and simple as long as everyone has YOUR interpretation of scripture. If we disagree with YOUR interpretation, we are wrong. Paul's letters are difficult to understand, so says Peter himself.
If scripture was easy to understand their wouldn't be 40,000+ protestant denominations, all of which teach something different, yet all claim to be following the Bible alone.


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Old 10-30-2011, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Coffee County, Alabama
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Hmmm...Now are you saying that Hawyaw looks into the future to see who has accepted and who has not?...
Yes. Isn't that what foreknowledge is?
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:28 AM
 
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Jesus received a water baptism in the River Jordan. What was the meaning of that?
Jesus was baptized into our suffering but we into His Glory. Two different type of baptisms.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Jesus was baptized into our suffering but we into His Glory. Two different type of baptisms.
I don't understand.
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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I don't understand.
It is obvious that Jesus was not baptized because of sin unto righteousness like we needed to be as a sign of repentance. So the conclusion would be that Jesus was baptized for another reason. Right after He was Baptized He went into the wilderness where He suffered hunger, being alone among wild animals and temptations like as we but overcame through the Father's Power and Truth. All was to identify with our suffering in a real way and to show us how to overcome. It is by the Word.

To be quite honest I received the understanding by revelation. Many things are Hidden in Scripture but Jesus said, REV 2:17 "To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the hidden manna" and also in JN 16:12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you can not bear them now.
JN 16:13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:" All that is needed to be understood, to get through life and to understand God more fully is not written. "He that has an hear, let Him hear."

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Old 10-30-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: US
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Originally Posted by katiemygirl View Post
Faith, repentance, confession, and baptism are works ordained by God created for us to do before the foundation of the world. These things are all part of God 's plan to save man. It is up to us whether we accep or reject. When we accept, then we are saved by God's grace, the blood of Jesus, and the renewal of the Holy Spirit.

When we submit to the will of Jesus, this is our point of pardon.

This is why we can say "Jesus is my Lord and Savior."

Katie
Ya got that backwards, Katie...The Grace of Hawyaw comes before anything else...If Grace is unmerited favor...Hawyaw's Grace is what regenerates your dead spirit unto life and opens your eyes to Truth and implants the desire to follow, hence, Faith...And from that Faith comes the works of that Faith...But it all starts with the Grace of Hawyaw...
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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Yes. Isn't that what foreknowledge is?
No, that is not what foreknowledge is...Here is the definition of the word used in scripture by Paul in Romans:

προγινώσκω
proginōskō
prog-in-oce'-ko
From G4253 and G1097; to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), know (before).

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


If one knows something beforehand because they looked into the future and saw it then it is not foreknowledge...This word has a sense of ordination...If Hawyaw is Omniscient, then there is nothing that He has not known, and if there is nothing He has not known then that means He did not have to look into the future to learn about it...He ordained everything the happen according to His Plan and Council...That is what Omniscience is...
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:23 AM
 
Location: southern california
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it comes by being very still and quiet and many "fasts" putting aside material obsessions. you know, the exact opposite of what most of us do 24/7.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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it comes by being very still and quiet and many "fasts" putting aside material obsessions. you know, the exact opposite of what most of us do 24/7.
Eh?...
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