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Old 11-22-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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Mike, since it is true that God's Justice was satisfied when Christ bore the sins of the world as the Lamb of God, why is God (according to most Christians) still demanding a pound of flesh from humans for their sins?
Because they still haven't repented though the goodness of God is poured out to them daily. It is written, "It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance" but some do not want to repent but love sin rather than the light, as Jesus said. They will not come to Him and let Him bear the sins of the past and start out afresh with the Power and Glory of a New Life in Christ.

JN 5:40 "And you will not come to me, that you might have life."

If that ain't abundandly clear what Jesus said then just make up your own truths that satisfy yourself but if you do, you will never understand. You can not exchange the truth for a lie and expect to understand.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Because they still haven't repented though the goodness of God is poured out to them daily. It is written, "It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance" but some do not want to repent but love sin rather than the light, as Jesus said. They will not come to Him and let Him bear the sins of the past and start out afresh with the Power and Glory of a New Life in Christ.

JN 5:40 "And you will not come to me, that you might have life."

If that ain't abundandly clear what Jesus said then just make up your own truths that satisfy yourself but if you do, you will never understand. You can not exchange the truth for a lie and expect to understand.

God gives repentance. If one does not repent it is just proof he was not chosen by God to believe in the first place and in fact cannot believe if not chosen in the first place.

Therefore God is responsible for who is and is not saved for the eons.
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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You can not exchange the truth for a lie and expect to understand.
But many have, and think they do.
If, Christ paid the penalty for sin, then there is nothing to repent of.
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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Christianity is Syncretistic, it has been modified in an attempt to reconcile various beliefs.
Which you and many others have come to believe is the whole truth.

"God is not an unemotional dictator, but he will give you over to the hardening of your own heart."

The Bible, which is the revealed word of God in writing, is not syncretic. It is, again, the revealed word of God. The differing views among Christian denominations is a different issue. The Bible teaches throughout that Jesus died as a substitutional sacrifice for the sins of the world.

You either agree with what the Bible says, or you don't.
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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But many have, and think they do.
If, Christ paid the penalty for sin, then there is nothing to repent of.
To the contrary. Repentence - metanoia, is a change of mind. About Christ, about dead works.

Hebrews 6:1 'Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toword God,

HELP'S Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340 /metanoeō ("repent").
Strong's Greek: 3341. ???????? (metanoia) -- change of mind, repentance

And Jesus did pay the penalty for sin. Repentance in salvation means to change your mind about Christ. You didn't believe in Him, and now you do. You repented.
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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Christianity is Syncretistic, it has been modified in an attempt to reconcile various beliefs.
Which you and many others have come to believe is the whole truth.

"God is not an unemotional dictator, but he will give you over to the hardening of your own heart."

It seems that (with me) you are preaching to the choir. But, I know others also agree with you. I have not been allowed to [quietly] Rep you in a while.
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Mike, since it is true that God's Justice was satisfied when Christ bore the sins of the world as the Lamb of God, why is God (according to most Christians) still demanding a pound of flesh from humans for their sins?
Eusebius, the issue in salvation is not sin. The reason that sin is not an issue in salvation is because Jesus has already paid the penalty for the sins of the world. Having already been judged, sin cannot be judged again. What Christ did on the cross is complete. Finished. That doesn't mean that unbelievers don't die in their sins, because John 8:24 says that they do. But their sins aren't the basis of their condemnation. Unbelievers are instead condemned because in rejecting Christ as Savior, they do not receive the imputation of God's own Perfect Absolute Righteousness, and must therefore stand before God on the basis of their own imperfect relative righteousness. And they CANNOT stand. God cannot accept the imperfect righteousness of man. When the unbeliever appears before Jesus Christ at the great white throne judgment, he will be judged on the basis of his deeds (Rev 20:11-15) which are the production of his human righteousness.

Therefore, the ONLY issue in salvation is simply 'What think you of Jesus Christ?' Jesus made salvation possible because He paid the penalty for sin. But God demands a volitional response from man regarding what Christ did on our behalf. God wants man to come to Him though faith in Christ. But if a person is unwilling to trust in Christ, then he cannot be saved. The unbeliever simply refuses to take possession of God's offer of the free gift of eternal life.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You either agree with what the Bible says, or you don't.
The cosmic child abuse that you appear to worship comes from that of Moloch.
Thus, the problem is with your theories, which cause division; and a house divided will not stand.

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Old 11-22-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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The Bible, which is the revealed word of God in writing, is not syncretic. It is, again, the revealed word of God. The differing views among Christian denominations is a different issue. The Bible teaches throughout that Jesus died as a substitutional sacrifice for the sins of the world.

You either agree with what the Bible says, or you don't.
Amen....

God see's the opposition of His truth going on and says,

12 The wicked plots against the righteous
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
13 The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow
To cast down the afflicted and the needy,
To slay those who are upright in conduct.
15 Their sword will enter their own heart,
And their bows will be broken.
16 Better is the little of the righteous
Than the abundance of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked will be broken,
But the LORD sustains the righteous.
18 The LORD knows the days of the blameless,
And their inheritance will be forever.

Psalms 37:12-18
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:07 PM
 
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But many have, and think they do.
If, Christ paid the penalty for sin, then there is nothing to repent of.
I can buy you a gift but if you reject it, then you will not have the benefits of that gift. Christ payed for the sins of the world but many do not experience the benefits of that and so do not change by His Power and go on to die in there sins, having rejected His cleansing Power made available but not experientially received.
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