Fundamentalist vs. Universalist...let's call a truce! (testimony, sins, believe)
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Well if you are saying God created evil..... Then Lego I'm sorry yes you unwittingly are saying that in my opinion.
God did not create evil in the sense that He did not create the concept of evil, in the same way I just explained above how He did not create the concept of "2+2=4".
God did create evil in the sense that He brought this world into being which contains many evils, murder, war, tsunamis, earthquakes, disease, famine, etc.
Hope that makes sense. This is not my opinion, this is what anyone can observe with their own eyes.
Somewhere along the way, pcamps, I learned not to run out into a busy street without looking because someone told me what could happen, I witnessed what could happen, I heard about what could happen, I suffered the consequences for trying to do it because of what could happen, or I experienced it, right? God bless and peace.
That is good pcamps, but we know what is noble, right, pure, and lovely because we know the contrast with what is not. We grow up learning right from wrong. We don't learn what is right in vacuum. God bless and peace.
Shana
I do not need to know evil to know good, to know good, all I need to do is taste and see that the Lord is Good.
You are right we do grow up learning right from wrong, this does not mean it is right to do so. In my opinion this kind of an upbringing is from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Pcamps, how did you come to know Jesus as your Savior? I don't understand what you mean when you say that we are not to grow up learning right from wrong. How did you grow up learning what is right as a child?
Somewhere along the way, pcamps, I learned not to run out into a busy street without looking because someone told me what could happen, I witnessed what could happen, I heard about what could happen, I suffered the consequences for trying to do it because of what could happen, or I experienced it, right? God bless and peace.
Shana
If that bus ran you over, did God send that bus to run you over ?, if he did, what was the point of knowing not to run in front of a bus ?, because if that bus has got your number on it you would be resisting the will of God to jump out the way.
We are not talking about that pcamps. We are talking about knowing and choosing right from wrong, learning to do right over instead of wrong. How did you learn how to do what is right as a child? And how did you come to know Jesus as your Savior?
What do you mean by this?
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You are right we do grow up learning right from wrong, this does not mean it is right to do so. In my opinion this kind of an upbringing is from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Pcamps, how did you come to know Jesus as your Savior? I don't understand what you mean when you say that we are not to grow up learning right from wrong. How did you grow up learning what is right as a child?
God bless and peace.
By my parents who are not christans, they brought me up by their knowedge of good and evil, and in my eyes are the most beautiful people on the face of the earth. The scripture tells us, He has shown us what is good, it does not say He has shown us what us evil to know good.
How did I come to Jesus as my Savior ? By seeing him as my Savior from a life of sin and destruction.
By my parents who were not christans, they brought me up by their knowedge of good and evil, and in my eyes are the most beautiful people on the face of the earth. The scripture tells us, He has shown us what is good, it does not say He has shown us what us evil to know good.
But you learned their knowedge of good and evil. You learned what was right and wrong (according to what they believed) Learning to distinguish good from evil and choosing good over evil, was a part of the lesson in growing up, right? Was any of this similar to what Christianity teaches?
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How did I come to Jesus as my Savior ? By seeing him as my Savior from a life of sin and destruction
So you saw Him as your Savior from this. You had to know what a life of sin and destruction was in order to see Him as this, right pcamps? You wanted to be delivered from this. Are you glad to know Him as your Savior from a life of sin and destruction? Do you agree that Jesus is not a Savior unless there is something to be saved out of or saved from?
God bless and peace.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 07-07-2012 at 04:28 PM..
Legoman, I still think that everything, the laws, the truths, every concept, everything finds its source in God and would not exist outside of Him. I think that He brought everything into existence because all is out of Him, even everything beyond the material universe. Maybe like you were saying something like this. It just is. I think that it just is because He is, if that makes sense. That's where I am right now. God bless and peace.
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