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*** Did Jesus Christ preexist as God and did He create all that has been created, and is Jesus Christ holding all things together? YES or NO!!! ***
If you say 'YES', and yet deny that Jesus Christ is God, then you are saying that someone other than God created the universe. See Genesis 1:1.
If you say 'NO', then you deny what is revealed in John 1:1-3,Col. 1:16-17 and Phil. 2:5-8.
Well, let me ask you this. Other than Jesus Christ, who was prophetically called a god at Isaiah 9:6, what other men were called gods in the Bible? Moses, and the Judges of Israel.
And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him. Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: "See, I have made you God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet." Exodus 4:16; 7:1
God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges: "I myself have said, 'You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.'" Psalm 82:1, 6
Jesus answered them: "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said: "You are gods"'? If he called 'gods' those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, John 10:34-35
Last edited by The Theist; 11-26-2012 at 11:29 PM..
Reason: Punctuation
Well, let me ask you this. Other than Jesus Christ, who was prophetically called a god at Isaiah 9:6, what other men were called gods in the Bible? Moses, and the Judges of Israel.
And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him. Consequently Jehovah said to Moses: "See, I have made you God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet." Exodus 4:16; 7:1
God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges: "I myself have said, 'You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.'" Psalm 82:1, 6
Jesus answered them: "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said: "You are gods"'? If he called 'gods' those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, John 10:34-35
Moses and the judges of Israel did not create the heavens and the earth. Jesus Christ who as God has eternally existed did. Read through my posts on this thread.
Moses and the judges of Israel did not create the heavens and the earth.
Neither did Satan, Molech, Baal, Tammuz, Ashtoreth, Dagon or many of the other gods mentioned in the Bible . . . but they still are called gods in the Bible.
Neither did Satan, Molech, Baal, Tammuz, Ashtoreth, Dagon or many of the other gods mentioned in the Bible . . . but they still are called gods in the Bible.
Just my opinion but I do not think Elohim in the OT translates accurately into the Greek Theos which was translated into the English God.
When the NT was written in Greek the Jewish concept of God was lost. Somebody who lived at the time of Jesus(as), and was an original Disciple probably would not recognize what has becomes today's Christian concept of God.
Neither did Satan, Molech, Baal, Tammuz, Ashtoreth, Dagon or many of the other gods mentioned in the Bible . . . but they still are called gods in the Bible.
What do you not understand about the fact that since it was God who created the universe, and that since the Scriptures say that it was Jesus Christ who created the universe, Jesus Christ is God in the sense of the one true God?
And why did you leave off this part of what I said? >> 'Jesus Christ who as God has eternally existed did.'
From post #172. 'Moses and the judges of Israel did not create the heavens and the earth. Jesus Christ who as God has eternally existed did.'
Neither did Satan, Molech, Baal, Tammuz, Ashtoreth, Dagon or many of the other gods mentioned in the Bible . . . but they still are called gods in the Bible.
What do you not understand about the fact that since it was God who created the universe, and that since the Scriptures say that it was Jesus Christ who created the universe, Jesus Christ is God in the sense of the one true God?
And why did you leave off this part of what I said? >> 'Jesus Christ who as God has eternally existed did.'
From post #172. 'Moses and the judges of Israel did not create the heavens and the earth. Jesus Christ who as God has eternally existed did.'
Regarding your incessant commands to 'Prove it', that goes right back to what I asked you in post #169.
Stop two-steppin' and answer it...
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