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If your fear dieing, are you really currently in the "saved" state?
Can you really call yourself "saved" at this time if your still in fear of death? Wasn't Jesus mission to remove us from the power of death? If we are fearful of dieing then we are still under the bondage of death which comes by the power of death and means that the Devil still has power over us:
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
If your fear dieing, are you really currently in the "saved" state?
Can you really call yourself "saved" at this time if your still in fear of death? Wasn't Jesus mission to remove us from the power of death? If we are fearful of dieing then we are still under the bondage of death which comes by the power of death and means that the Devil still has power over us:
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Jesus saves us from the second death, that is spiritual death, or eternal separation from God.
Jesus saves us from the second death, that is spiritual death, or eternal separation from God.
That phrase "eternal separation" defeats itself. If something is eternal then it remains that way otherwise it cannot be labeled "eternal". That is like saying that something that is immortal can become mortal. If it can become mortal then it was never immortal since immortality implies that what is immortal remains unable to be mortal.
This term "eternal separation" has no biblical justification or support.
If you fear death . . . you are still saved. If you don't fear death . . . you are still saved. WE have nothing to do with whether or not we are saved! Christ did that part for us. We are responsible for our own sanctification under His love and grace. We do that by following His direct instructions to His disciples to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't. Everyone who DOES that attunes their Spirit to Christ's Holy Spirit (Comforter) and receives the cover of His perfect agape love through resonance (some imperfect harmonic). Death is the end of our "spiritual pregnancy" . . . and we are reborn as Spirit.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 10-21-2013 at 04:37 PM..
That phrase "eternal separation" defeats itself. If something is eternal then it remains that way otherwise it cannot be labeled "eternal". That is like saying that something that is immortal can become mortal. If it can become mortal then it was never immortal since immortality implies that what is immortal remains unable to be mortal.
This term "eternal separation" has no biblical justification or support.
Wrong.
2 Thess. 1
7 The Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.
I don't believe we are experiencing salvation if we are in fear of death, same goes if we are projecting fear of death and eternal separation upon anyone.
If you fear death . . . you are still saved. If you don't fear death . . . you are still saved. WE have nothing to do with whether or not we are saved! Christ did that part for us. We are responsible for our own sanctification under His love and grace. We do that by following His direct instructions to His disciples to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't. Everyone who DOES that attunes their Spirit to Christ's Holy Spirit (Comforter) and receives the cover of His perfect agape love through resonance (some imperfect harmonic). Death is the end of our "spiritual pregnancy" . . . and we are reborn as Spirit.
The bible shows that we are not all saved at this time. Meaning not all in a state of "saved". You can't serve two masters and to be under bondage to death (of which I am), I cannot also say that I'm saved. This doesn't negate the understanding that all will eventually be saved. But it speaks to the current state of the majority of us. Remember that Faith is the ACCESS to Grace. If someone doesn't have Faith, then they surely do not have the Grace.
7 The Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.
The word for "eternal" in that verse only means that the destruction will CONTINUE beyond the current age. It doesn't mean "eternal" as we understand it to mean "without beginning or end".
So again there is no such biblical basis for this teaching of "eternal separation". Again consider this verse:
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
The word for "eternal" in that verse only means that the destruction will CONTINUE beyond the current age. It doesn't mean "eternal" as we understand it to mean "without beginning or end".
So again there is no such biblical basis for this teaching of "eternal separation". Again consider this verse:
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Who holds the power of death? - the devil.
Wrong.
Luke 16
26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’
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If you fear death, are you saved?
