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Old 10-25-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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There is no hell.
That really is not important to people. They want there to be a place where people burn. If they were God, they sure would be ruthless. They would make it burn for a few centuries, the drown for a few. It would be just and fair for sure. And it will be sprinkled with...... Love
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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That really is not important to people. They want there to be a place where people burn. If they were God, they sure would be ruthless. They would make it burn for a few centuries, the drown for a few. It would be just and fair for sure. And it will be sprinkled with...... Love


Nope, they just get the life snuffed out of them, just like Lucifer will.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Not even on the radar for Paul. Peter mention it once, and it had nothing to do with burning folks. Luke failed to mention it in Acts.
The way the topic is spoken of, the OP is right, you would think it would be mentioned a lot. One thing that Paul mentions in every letter is Love.
The Apostle Paul;
2 Thessalonians 1:8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel (by responding to it with faith in Christ Jesus) of our Lord Jesus. 9] These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Just because Paul did not use the words 'lake of fire' or 'Gehenna' does not mean that he wasn't referring to that place. Those who pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, do so in that place of black darkness which is also referred to by other terminology.

Why would the lake of fire be mentioned in the Book of Acts which is an inspired account of the beginning and early work of the church?

How many times does the Bible have to say something in order for it to be true? Just once.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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How do spirits burn? How do they burn up over and over again?

And don't answer...because God can do whatever he wants......
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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There is no hell.
Yes there is. But what we call 'hell', the Bible describes as the lake of fire, the eternal fire, the black darkness, and other terminology. And no one is annihilated in the lake of fire. When the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation (Rev. 19:20) they will still be there a thousand years later when they are joined by Satan and the fallen angels (Rev. 20:10), and then by those members of the human race whose names are not found in the book of life (Rev. 20:15). And they will be tormented forever (Rev. 20:10).
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca.
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If God is trying to save everyone from a "Hell" when did He never broach the subject with Adam so Adam could tell his wife and kids? And why didn't God ever tell Noah to tell the people they were going to a "Hell" if they didn't get on the boat? Why didn't God ever tell Moses that if the Israelites break His laws they'd all go to a "Hell"? If eternal torment is true, you'd think it'd be on every page of the Bible.
Not if Hell as it is widely perceived never existed.
Since the dead have no conscious existence, hell cannot exists as a fiery place of torment where the wicked suffer after death. What, then, is hell? Examining what happened to Jesus after he died helps to answer that question. The Bible writer Luke recounts: "Neither was [Jesus] forsaken in Hades [hell, King James Version] nor did his flesh see corruption." Where was the hell to which even Jesus went? The apostle Paul wrote: "I handed on to you . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures.” (1 Corinthians 15:3,4) So Jesus was in hell as the grave, but he was not abandoned there. He was raised up, or resurrected.

The Bible hell is the common grave of mankind where good people as well as bad ones go. Yes, the fire of hell is symbolic of all-consuming, or thorough, destruction. The Scriptures say: "Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire." The lake mentioned here is symbolic, since death and Hades that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. This 'lake of fire' means the second death— from which there is no hope of coming back to life.—Revelation 20:14.

The lake of fire has a meaning similar to that of "the fiery Gehenna [hell fire, King James Version]" that Jesus spoke of. Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls of Jerusalem. When Jesus was on earth, this valley was used as a garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith’s Dictionary of the Bible) The fires were kept burning by adding sulfur to burn up the refuse. Jesus used that valley as a proper symbol of everlasting destruction. As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction. Willful, unrepentant sinners will have their portion in that lake to be annihilated forever. On the other hand, those in God’s memory who are in hell—the common grave of mankind—await a glorious future.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:57 PM
 
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Yes there is. But what we call 'hell', the Bible describes as the lake of fire, the eternal fire, the black darkness, and other terminology. And no one is annihilated in the lake of fire. When the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation (Rev. 19:20) they will still be there a thousand years later when they are joined by Satan and the fallen angels (Rev. 20:10), and then by those members of the human race whose names are not found in the book of life (Rev. 20:15). And they will be tormented forever (Rev. 20:10).

No, John describes as a lake of fire.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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What happens after God puts away death, the death of death?
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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If God is trying to save everyone from a "Hell" when did He never broach the subject with Adam so Adam could tell his wife and kids?

He did. Genesis 3:15 -- the proto-evangelion. It was the first mention of a coming Messiah.
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Why didn't God ever tell Noah to tell the people they were going to a "Hell" if they didn't get on the boat?
How do you know he didn't?
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Why didn't God ever tell Moses that if the Israelites break His laws they'd all go to a "Hell"?
How do you know he didn't?
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If eternal torment is true, you'd think it'd be on every page of the Bible.
It is true, and it was mentioned a lot.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: New England
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God literally spoke to them. Better than a bible.
Yeah, but why did he forget to mention eternal hell AND annihilation ?.
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