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Old 12-28-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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and ALL shall believe Fin and the scripture actually states it the way I gave it, so in otherwords he ADDED to what the scripture actually says.
Where does it say All will believe ?

All sorts or all types of people will be saved but do those who refuse to repent are they saved or destroyed ?
- 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Psalm 92 v 7

What would be the point of warning the righteous or the just if they are considered as saved?- Ezekiel 3 vs 18-21
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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They really haven't thought it through have they?. It is why I find it hard that to believe that any of them really believe in it with any true conviction, but the implication of what it does to their world of faith to acknowledge the absurdity of eternal torment is simply a step of faith they're not willing to take, because it comes with a huge cost.
True, for if they actually believed in their heart that ET was true then they should delight in seeing people put their.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:57 PM
 
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and ALL shall believe Fin and the scripture actually states it the way I gave it, so in otherwords he ADDED to what the scripture actually says.
The Bible repeats is 200 times, and you ignore is 200 times.

Congratulations BTW. You have managed to derail the thread. Now people are just repeating old UR talking points.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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ALL who are alive at the end of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

Jesus ransom [ his death for us ] covers MANY according to Matthew 20 v 28 and Not all because all will not believe.
ever read how after all judgment is past that there are the liars and adulterers etc. OUTSIDE of the gates of the city, and how once they learn to keep Gods commandments that those OUTSIDE the gates have the right to the tree of life?
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:00 PM
 
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Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all therefore God will have all mankind to be saved (1Tim.2:4-6),
Yes, ALL of mankind who are judged as righteous by the end of Jesus' millennial-long judgment day of reigning over earth.
- Revelation 20 vs 8,9

At what point are those of Revelation 2 v 10 are considered as saved since they have to be faithful until death?

What did Jesus say at Matthew 24 v 13 ?_________
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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Yes, Jesus died for ALL.- see 1st John 1 v 7

But because ALL will not end up accepting Jesus MANY will be saved.- Matthew 20 v 28

What happens to those of Psalm 92 v 7 ?______
so your saying Jesus died for all but His atonement was not effective for ALL MEN just those that believe. Yet scripture actually tells us His atonement covers ALL
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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ever read how after all judgment is past that there are the liars and adulterers etc. OUTSIDE of the gates of the city, and how once they learn to keep Gods commandments that those OUTSIDE the gates have the right to the tree of life?
Please post the verses you have in mind. Thanks

What happens to those who do Not repent according to 2nd Peter 3 v 9 ?_______
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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Where does it say All will believe ?

All sorts or all types of people will be saved but do those who refuse to repent are they saved or destroyed ?
- 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Psalm 92 v 7
2nd Pet 3:9 says "not desiring that any should perish". You assume that "perish" means "be annihilated", right? The word translated as "perish" is appolymi and it is the same word used in this passage:

"For the son of man is come to seek and to save that which was LOST (appolymi)."

Do you also read annihilation into that verse as well? Did the son of man come to save those who were annihilated?



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What would be the point of warning the righteous or the just if they are considered as saved?- Ezekiel 3 vs 18-21
As long as you believe that what people are being saved from is annihilation, you will have to ask that question.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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so your saying Jesus died for all but His atonement was not effective for ALL MEN just those that believe. Yet scripture actually tells us His atonement covers ALL
Jesus atonement or ransom covers MANY according to Matthew 20 v 28.

Please keep in mind the majority of mankind never had the opportunity to put faith in Jesus [ John 3 v 13 ]

They will have that future opportunity [ Acts 24 v 15 ] when they are resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth during Jesus' 1000-year reign over earth. Only those who have already put faith in Jesus can be part of the first or earlier resurrection to Heaven. - Revelation 20 v 6; 5 vs 9,10; 2 v 10
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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Where does it say All will believe ?
Every tongue will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Ghost, and confession is made unto salvation.
And if you look up the word used for bow it is ALWAYS used in worship.

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All sorts or all types of people will be saved but do those who refuse to repent are they saved or destroyed ?
- 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Psalm 92 v 7


Look unto me ALL the ends of the earth and be ye SAVED


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What would be the point of warning the righteous or the just if they are considered as saved?- Ezekiel 3 vs 18-21


Who said anything about them being considered saved already?
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