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Jesus didn't change the Old Testament, by the way. Nothing you mentioned was changed. Jesus pointed away from the traditions of men, and back onto the God of the Old Testament. Might wanna do some more studying.
Also, you consider Jesus' love of sinners his highest goal, and you spend paragraph after paragraph talking about it, but fail to grasp that everything Jesus did was for a spiritual purpose, mainly the salvation of souls. What does it profit any sinner to feel accepted, loved or happiness and lose their soul? Answer: Nothing. In fact, Jesus himself tells us to amputate our limbs if we need to in order to stop from committing sin. Jesus didn't come to accept people, he came to save them for an eternity with Him.
Well, Jesus certainly didn't change on issues like slavery.
So, tell us, how should we beat our slaves? After all, there is nothing in the bible against owning slaves, just on how to beat them. Do you agree with not using a stick larger than your thumb?
Jesus didn't change the Old Testament, by the way. Nothing you mentioned was changed. Jesus pointed away from the traditions of men, and back onto the God of the Old Testament. Might wanna do some more studying.
Also, you consider Jesus' love of sinners his highest goal, and you spend paragraph after paragraph talking about it, but fail to grasp that everything Jesus did was for a spiritual purpose, mainly the salvation of souls. What does it profit any sinner to feel accepted, loved or happiness and lose their soul? Answer: Nothing. In fact, Jesus himself tells us to amputate our limbs if we need to in order to stop from committing sin. Jesus didn't come to accept people, he came to save them for an eternity with Him.
Is the following part of the OT Jesus pointed to?
Among the jewels (in Leviticus) you'll find in it are a mandate to kill disobedient children, a dietary restriction to not eat shellfish (God Hates Shrimp!), a law that would prevent bowl-cuts (or “rounding off the side-growth of your heads” – and to think I liked the Beatles), direction to not touch or eat the flesh of a pig (no bacon and cheddar soup for you!), and a prohibition on the rhythm method of birth control (you know who you are!). Oh, and presumably, gay sex (which, of course, is why I bring it up).
But you believe He DOES point to Leviticus with regard to homosexuality but not the others? If He pointed to them shouldn't we be practicing them. Killing children and such? No? Then what part DID He point to? Would it be to grant mercy rather than sacrifice? Would it be to provide for the poor or to welcome sojourners into the land?
I certainly believe Jesus had spiritual purpose--but He proposed real life actions as examples of spiritual purpose. His entire message is summed up in His first and greatest sermon--The Sermon on the Mount. It involved ACTION of people. Not a word mentioned about "beliefs." Belief was always secondary to Jesus, and proof of belief was in ACTION.
So how does condemning homosexuality translate into the kind of actions Jesus proposed in the Sermon on the Mount? How does it fit in with the example of living that He provided us?
Three thousand years ago someone wrote some text that said children should be murdered by their parents if they spoke back to them. That witches should not be suffered to live among them. That eating shrimp and cutting beards and hair was against God's laws. That homosexuals are abominations. I'm sure it was written by people trying to make their own ethnic group different from others, to make it more homogenous. But a thousand years later Jesus came along and changed it all. And no don't quote what Jesus said ABOUT the Old Testament. Quote how He CHANGED the OT. Love your ENEMY as yourself. Judge not lest you be judged. Be careful how you treat that Samaritan (or Muslim, or homosexual, or anyone you despise) because he may be the one to rescue you from the ditch while religious people, so concerned with the "ethics" of biblical words, pass you by.
From the heart proceeds every kind of evil imaginable on the face of the earth. Homosexuality doesn't come from the heart---but the words you write do.
It's a shame you know the Bible, but you don't know Jesus. That was the problem of the Pharisees whom He condemned regularly.
You believe knowing the Bible and quoting the Bible is the highest good. But Jesus said obeying His commandments were MORE important, and the chief of the commandments was to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and to love thy neighbor like thyself. And then He went on to say LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. You see homosexuals as your enemy--but you surely don't show any love for them. What does the Lord your God demand of you? Sacrifice? Bible memorization? Or to show mercy and justice, and treat others like you want God to treat you?
So showing love means approving and accepting a sinful lifestyle?
Why do fundamentalists call homosexuality a "lifestyle"?
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation that doesn't imply nor force people to live life in a specifc way. You just fall in love with people of the same sex, period. The rest of your life is just like anybody else's, that is, waking up, studying, working, paying the bills, etc.
Religiosity, on the other hand, is a lifestyle from head to toe and potentially dangerous as fundamentalists show us every day.
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Be honest, this is now on your Christmas wishlist.
I'll be sure to tell Santa when I see him. Or was that the Easter Bunny? Or the Tooth Fairy?
I know!
I'll pray for it! That'll bring it to my stocking, right?
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