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Just goes to show that even an evil, rabid fundamentalist that I am can believe the good news which Paul said was ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God (1 Tim.2:3)
Maybe those who don't welcome it do so due to loving darkness and hating the light?
You shouldn't be hard on yourself. Can you put your old profile picture back up too, you looked less like a fundy on that one.
Feel free to believe whatever you want, but if you want the truth, it can be found in John 3 16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The Bible repeats important things, and this particular teaching is so important it is repeated some 200 times. There is no room for misunderstanding it. Whoever believes in Him is saved. It's that simple.
The enemy (Satan) wants you to believe the 200 repetitions is a lie, and he wants you to believe something else instead. He dangles one misunderstood, and out of context verse in front of your eyes and he says "ignore the rest and believe this, you shall surely not die". He said it before, and he also twisted scripture before in order to deceive.
Yes, he does. Look how when Christ was led into the wilderness to be tempted and how satan did all he could to get Christ to worship him (satan).
He wanted Jesus to disobey and fall from trusting the Father's word and promises. He does the very same today.
Just look at this thread with all that are misquoting, reading out of context the scripture, just like satan did with Jesus in Matt.4:6 in the wilderness, with the scripture Psalm 91:11-12 by tempting Jesus to prove Himself , “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,
and that is where satan misquoted the scripture from the Psalm !
Matt.4:6
‘He will command His angels concerning You’;
and
‘On their hands they will bear You up,
So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’”
Psalm 91:11-12 11 For He will give His angels charge concerning you, To guard you in all your ways.
12 They will bear you up in their hands,
That you do not strike your foot against a stone.
Satan is crafty and masquerades around as an angel of light !
He tried to keep Christ off the cross and failed, so now he is doing his best to keep God's creation from the truth of the Cross.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
When Jesus said:
"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
It's just a flat out lie to suggest that everyone who refuses-(ed) to believe God's promise will have eternal life universally anyways.
Those who didn't believe God's promise when Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness didn't have eternal lifein him....just as ..... those who do not believe God's promise about the Son of Man will not have eternal life.
Amen !!
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
No it's not improper, Jesus made the connection. The improper activity is the first "all" must = "all inclusive".
btw .... about your one last thingy.......... it is.
Yup, miss quoting Jesus, another Matt. 4:6 situation !!
It is really sad that there are so many here who have fallen for the lie of the flesh and deeply believe it. Whatever it was in their lives that they came to the ultimate temptation in their faith and have fallen for the lies of the flesh.
Praise God our Lord Jesus beat satan at his game, amen !! Now we have hope in Jesus Christ who will save all that will believe when led by faith in the grace of our God.
I don't understand(well I do) why something Paul said is deserving of universal acceptance is fought against as if the very thought of it being acceptable is ghastly, yet something that cannot be supported with scripture(the belief that we are saved from eternal hell if we believe in Jesus) is accepted without reservation. Nullifying the word of God(Jesus Christ) for the sake of handed down tradition and doctrines of men (men who do not know God or the scriptures). I being a former fundamentalist know without doubt I was bewitched into believing it.
It has nothing to do with nullifying what Paul said, but rather misinterpreting what Paul said. There are too many scriptural "hoops" to jump through to make UR work.
*It's ironic that the very people who promote this passage as proof of UR, will quickly dismiss other things Paul wrote.
Daniel 12:2 tells us some Israelites will be resurrection to eonian life and some to eonian shame.
Luke 16 is concerning a parable. In that parable the rich man can't get out. But in Revelation all get out of Hades and stand before the great white throne.
Even the second death isn't eternal since Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 shows it being done away.
Short and too the point! We don't HAVE TO conclude anything when there are alternative explanations just because alot of Pastors and denominations want to keep one of their best fear based conversion tools.
Yes, he does. Look how when Christ was led into the wilderness to be tempted and how satan did all he could to get Christ to worship him (satan).
He wanted Jesus to disobey and fall from trusting the Father's word and promises. He does the very same today.
Just look at this thread with all that are misquoting, reading out of context the scripture, just like satan did with Jesus in Matt.4:6 in the wilderness, with the scripture Psalm 91:11-12 by tempting Jesus to prove Himself , “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,
Short and too the point! We don't HAVE TO conclude anything when there are alternative explanations just because alot of Pastors and denominations want to keep one of their best fear based conversion tools.
Hey bro, isn't it interesting that: "No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him . . ." (John 6:44).
So if there is an eternal fiery torture chamber, can we not conclude that God bears the sole responsibility who goes there or not since it is up to Him who is drawn to Christ or not? And those who are drawn He raises them up in the last day.
It seems to me that a God who is eventually going to save all mankind but who has other things in store for them prior to their salvation is a God Who is lovable, huggable and worthy of our worship and adoration. Whereas the God who purposely keeps people from Christ just to damn them for eternity is a god we should run from.
It has nothing to do with nullifying what Paul said, but rather misinterpreting what Paul said. There are too many scriptural "hoops" to jump through to make UR work.
*It's ironic that the very people who promote this passage as proof of UR, will quickly dismiss other things Paul wrote.
Lol. The only obstacle is an illusionary one that isn't in the scriptures in the first place, you know, the one where you and all other ET'ers say you have see in the scriptures, and if you are reasonable and willing to acknowledge it is not there, your Christianity beliefs will down like a pack of cards, unless of cause you can accept that none are lost.
Originally Posted by Cyber Munchkin Yes, he does. Look how when Christ was led into the wilderness to be tempted and how satan did all he could to get Christ to worship him (satan).
He wanted Jesus to disobey and fall from trusting the Father's word and promises. He does the very same today.
Just look at this thread with all that are misquoting, reading out of context the scripture, just like satan did with Jesus in Matt.4:6 in the wilderness, with the scripture Psalm 91:11-12 by tempting Jesus to prove Himself , “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,
Where is the misquote here:
1 Timothy 2:3-6 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God, (4) Who wills that all mankind be saved
and come into a realization of the truth. (5) For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man, Christ
Jesus, (6) Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (the testimony in its own eras),
or here:
1 Timothy 4:9-11 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome (10) (for for this are we toiling and being
reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, (11) especially of believers. These
things be charging and teaching.
?
These verses need to be believed, not made to say what they don't say.
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We don't HAVE TO conclude anything when there are alternative explanations just because alot of Pastors and denominations want to keep one of their best fear based conversion tools.
