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No, in fact the Greek would not understand it as eternal. If they wanted to use a word representing the idea of unendingness they would have surely used "aperantos." They used aion as "age." To have an "eternal age" is a contradiction in terms. They used "aionios" as "pertaining to the age(s).
So you think every language in the world has it wrong too?
Spanish: eterno to Greek: αιώνιος
Russain: вечный to Greek: αιώνιος
Chinese: 永恒 to Greek: αιώνιος
The Greek would indeed had understood eternal was we understand eternal. You can even go to ask a person that was born Greek and can speak English. They will tell you the English translated concept of 'eternal' is correctly.
You're taking your doctrine, looking for what you need to see in English, then forcing your English concepts into Greek translation and it doesn't work that way. You're translating it completely backwards.
Spanish: eterno to Greek: αιώνιος
Russain: вечный to Greek: αιώνιος
Chinese: 永恒 to Greek: αιώνιος
The Greek would indeed had understood eternal was we understand eternal. You can even go to ask a person that was born Greek and can speak English. They will tell you the English translated concept of 'eternal' is correctly.
You're taking your doctrine, looking for what you need to see in English, then forcing your English concepts into Greek translation and it doesn't work that way. You're translating it completely backwards.
It's not just about a Greek word. It's more about a Jewish concept conveyed some 2000 years ago, which basically has not much to do with how it's translated into Greek. See with Josephus works.
So you think every language in the world has it wrong too?
Of course they are incorrect if every language in the world translated aionios as eternal since it can't possibly mean "eternal" since it is an adjective derived from its noun form "aion."
Spanish: eterno to Greek: αιώνιος
Russain: вечный to Greek: αιώνιος
Chinese: 永恒 to Greek: αιώνιος
The Greek would indeed had understood eternal was we understand eternal. You can even go to ask a person that was born Greek and can speak English. They will tell you the English translated concept of 'eternal' is correctly.
You're taking your doctrine, looking for what you need to see in English, then forcing your English concepts into Greek translation and it doesn't work that way. You're translating it completely backwards.
So you think every language in the world has it wrong too?
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Of course they are incorrect if every language in the world translated aionios as eternal since it can't possibly mean "eternal" since it is an adjective derived from its noun form "aion."
So God's angel failed to spread the gospel in every language?
For every one scholar to support your claim there are 100s that oppose them and nor is what Thomson believes being taught in schools. He apparently was wrong.
[Thomas, Robert L., Th.D., General Editor, New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries]:
166. aionios; from 165; agelong, eternal:— eternal(66), eternity(1), forever(1).
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So God's angel failed to spread the gospel in every language?
No, not really. That is yet future.
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For every one scholar to support your claim there are 100s that oppose them and nor is what Thomson believes being taught in schools. He apparently was wrong.
That is why we should base the meaning of words by how words are used by the Original Author in the Bible.
Since all the eons end (the Bible tells us so) and since eonian is that which pertains to the eon(s), we know for a fact that neither eon nor eonian can be "eternal."
So it is always better to go by how God used the words.
The angel in midheaven flies during the last days. We are in those days now.
Not really.
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You just made that up. Plus there is nothing in the Bible that says do to as you say.
1Co_2:13 which we are speaking also, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit, matching spiritual blessings with spiritual words."
1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the spirit is saying explicitly, that in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and the teachings of demons, (2) in the hypocrisy of false expressions, their own conscience having been cauterized;"
An "eternal age" is not only a contradiction in terms but is also an hypocrisy of false expression.
So are you saying one should not see how God used the words He used?
Since the Bible says all the eons end, how then can they be eternal?
Prove me wrong, that we are not in the last days and the angel is not flying right now.
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1Co_2:13 which we are speaking also, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit, matching spiritual blessings with spiritual words."
1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the spirit is saying explicitly, that in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and the teachings of demons, (2) in the hypocrisy of false expressions, their own conscience having been cauterized;"
That doesn't say go compare English translations to Greek. Back to the drawing board.
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An "eternal age" is not only a contradiction in terms but is also an hypocrisy of false expression.
So are you saying one should not see how God used the words He used?
Since the Bible says all the eons end, how then can they be eternal?
Lets put this way. You have not presented enough evidence to change the meaning of the word eternal. You might think it's enough but it falls way short. 99% of the scholars don't agree with your view of the Greek. So while UR is not a new idea. Just like others that tried to get UR off the ground in the past, it will fail again. The evidence only lives with people's opinions and not in fact. If we read the whole Bible UR doesn't fit at all.
Prove me wrong, that we are not in the last days and the angel is not flying right now.
What would you consider proof? What one thing, if you found out, would make you question if you were getting bamboozled? Since you believe we are in the last days because of aligning your beliefs with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania it seems easier to show that this organization doesn't represent God than to disprove an angel.
Pick something, anything. I'm not saying I can produce that evidence but it's always good to have a line you won't cross no matter what.
ETA: Not everyone even wants proof that they are getting tricked. Maybe the first question to ask then is; if you are wrong do you really want to know?
Prove me wrong, that we are not in the last days and the angel is not flying right now.
John was in spirit IN the Lord's day which is yet future. The Lord's day has not arrived yet. The angel you speak of is IN the Lord's day.
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Lets put this way. You have not presented enough evidence to change the meaning of the word eternal. You might think it's enough but it falls way short. 99% of the scholars don't agree with your view of the Greek. So while UR is not a new idea. Just like others that tried to get UR off the ground in the past, it will fail again. The evidence only lives with people's opinions and not in fact. If we read the whole Bible UR doesn't fit at all.
I wouldn't care if 100% of scholars disagreed with me as to AIWN and AIWNION. It would just prove that 100% are incorrect. Not only that, but it is a falacy of argument to argue for an ad populum argument as if many makes some belief correct. It does not. In fact, often the majority are wrong.
If we read the whole Bible, UR fits perfectly. In fact, the first 5 centuries of the early church had the majority of universalistic believers. Not that that proves Universalism to be correct but at least there is history to it.
But the fact still remains: All the eons end. And eonian is that which pertains to the eon(s) therefore neither can eonian be eternal.
Romans 16:26 speaks of the eonian God and verse 25 speaks of "a secret hushed in times eonian yet manifested now." Some stupid translations have it "hushed in times eternal" so if it were hushed in times eternal, how could something get beyond eternity in order to inform us of it being manifested now?
God being the eonian God does not tell us how long God lives but rather tells us of His relationship to the eons. Being the eonian God, He is the God pertaining to the eons in that He is over them, coordinating each eon to the specific God He has for each eon.
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