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God would be found to be a liar since He told us He "will have all mankind to be saved" (1 Tim.2:4-6) because Christ ransomed all.
Therefore, if I am wrong, God is wrong.
God is not wrong. You are wrong, because you are cherry picking one verse (which you do not understand), while ignoring 200 other verses which say what God taught: "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".
Congratulations! You are the only person in the universe who does not need Christ!
This is your problem. According to the "all are saved" theory, there is no hurry. What are your pressuring her for? She will be saved.
There is a big inconsistency in the message of all are saved, and preaching that people need Christ for salvation. They don't NEED to believe anything. They will be saved.
We are not talking behavior or doctrine... strictly salvation. Why does anybody NEED Christ right now if all we be saved?
This is your problem. According to the "all are saved" theory, there is no hurry. What are your pressuring her for? She will be saved.
There is a big inconsistency in the message of all are saved, and preaching that people need Christ for salvation. They don't NEED to believe anything. They will be saved.
We are not talking behavior or doctrine... strictly salvation. Why does anybody NEED Christ right now?
Let's imagine for a moment that they don't...but Jesus said "Make them disciples anyway...just because I said so."
If you come back with "Why should we?" you're doing exactly what Adam and Eve did. Requiring a convincing rationale for obedience is not obedience, it's just agreement.
This is your problem. According to the "all are saved" theory, there is no hurry. What are your pressuring her for? She will be saved.
There is a big inconsistency in the message of all are saved, and preaching that people need Christ for salvation. They don't NEED to believe anything. They will be saved.
We are not talking behavior or doctrine... strictly salvation. Why does anybody NEED Christ right now?
I had an epiphany today about this whole conversation.
It reminds me of when Jesus was being tested by Satan. Satan said to Jesus, “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Not only was Satan telling Jesus he could do anything and no harm would come to him since God would save him. But Satan used the scriptures to prove his point. Note Satan said 'a son of God'. There are many son's of God meaning any son of God would be saved if they threw themselves off a cliff. Isn't that the bases of universal salvation?
I hope people realize that the doctrine of universal salvation could be the most dangerous doctrine out there. It teaches that people can, in a since, jump off cliffs and remain unharmed.
Let's imagine for a moment that they don't...but Jesus said "Make them disciples anyway...just because I said so."
If you come back with "Why should we?" you're doing exactly what Adam and Eve did. Requiring a convincing rationale for obedience is not obedience, it's just agreement.
OK - that's fine. Then don't mention the need for salvation from sins, and don't focus on whether or not all will be saved. Focus on making disciples.
I have actually made a similar statement in the past. Make the message solely about Christ, and let Him handle who will be saved.
Eusebius' problem (and others who believe likewise) is that if God does not conform to His desire that all will be saved, God all of a sudden becomes a monstrous murderer.
God is not wrong. You are wrong, because you are cherry picking one verse (which you do not understand), while ignoring 200 other verses which say what God taught: "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".
Don't leave home without the fundamentalists, "get out of jail" free card.
You know, the one that let's you sin, over and over, again.
I had an epiphany today about this whole conversation.
It reminds me of when Jesus was being tested by Satan. Satan said to Jesus, “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Not only was Satan telling Jesus he could do anything and no harm would come to him since God would save him. But Satan used the scriptures to prove his point. Note Satan said 'a son of God'. There are many son's of God meaning any son of God would be saved if they threw themselves off a cliff. Isn't that the bases of universal salvation?
I hope people realize that the doctrine of universal salvation could be the most dangerous doctrine out there. It teaches that people can, in a since, jump off cliffs and remain unharmed.
The Pinnacle of Sin and Death is the highest culminating point of man’s Religion.
Gravity can be adversarial, don't forget to take a parachute.
I am just kind of curious if you would be upset if God really did save all mankind because Christ ransomed all per 1 Timothy 2:4-6.
Would that sadden you to see your loved ones saved even if they never set foot in church?
Calvinist bovine excrement to the core.
If everyone were saved, then it would not be necessary for Christ to die upon the cross.
If everyone were saved, then Jesus would be a liar when He said only a few would be saved.
If everyone were saved, then it wouldn't be necessary to cram Calvinist dogma down their throats.
If everyone were saved, then there would never be wars violence and licentiousness upon the earth.
If everyone were saved, there would be no hell - and the Bible is very explicit that there is such a destiny for those who deny Christ.
If everyone were saved, it would not be necessary for the Bible to encourage people to make a choice for righteousness.
In point of fact, all Calvinist dogma is based upon the false presumption of the total depravity of man. The Bible does not teach that man is totally depraved. Man is encouraged to choose God's way. Total depravity states that no such choice is possible.
The Bible says that man is born with the tendency to sin, not that he is guilty from birth of it. If true, then according to Calvinist dogma every dead baby would go to hell.
According to Mosaic law, an offering of thanksgiving was to be made for the birth of a baby, NOT a sin offering. This is recognition BY THE LAW that a baby is NOT born totally depraved. A baby that dies, therefore, is innocent of sin and goes to live with God because of that. Calvinist propaganda would condemn the child to hell automatically and then give a phony reason for their heinous declaration.
Man is not totally depraved.
There is no indication in the LAW that he is. If man were indeed totally depraved there would be no possibility of his accepting Jesus Christ as his saviour. To this end Calvinists invent additional exceptions to their own rule. Would you play poker with people like this? Would you buy a car from someone who changed the rules as he went along? You'd be a fool if you did and you'd be a fool to believe Calvinist ideology.
Calvinism is a lie of the devil and those who transmit the doctrine seek to make men twice as fit for hell as they are themselves.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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