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And all I asked in the OP is basically "Do you believe Christ?"
I've stated here many times that the 'believe' in biblical application really means 'life altering belief'.
Because, even the demons believe--and shudder! (James 2:18-20)
I think Firstborn was accurate in how monopolizing the "Belief in Christ" exclusivity has taken on a life of its own, and if there is no clear definition of what a belief in Christ contains, then you end up with thousands of different groups saying they have it right and you don't.
The foundational weakness all believers have, including the devils.... is the lack of the power of the Holy Spirit, who's job it is to lead into all truth.
We have relied on man made teachers of men to define. When The Light of Christ is the only one worthy to define perfectly and whom He ordains. Not man ordained as in the churches traditions (observe the fruit), but in the real ordination to those that hear His voice and a stranger they will not follow.
Those that live and keep His word.
I think Firstborn was accurate in how monopolizing the "Belief in Christ" exclusivity has taken on a life of its own, and if there is no clear definition of what a belief in Christ contains, then you end up with thousands of different groups saying they have it right and you don't.
The foundational weakness all believers have, including the devils.... is the lack of the power of the Holy Spirit, who's job it is to lead into all truth.
We have relied on man made teachers of men to define. When The Light of Christ is the only one worthy to define perfectly and whom He ordains. Not man ordained as in the churches traditions (observe the fruit), but in the real ordination to those that hear His voice and a stranger they will not follow.
Those that live and keep His word.
It's not about "evangelicals" or "having it right"..................there is one truth in God's Word. If you do not have Christ living in you, you do not have the Holy Spirit either. You cannot walk as Christ did UNTIL you have accepted Him by faith as your Lord and Savior. Christ is the only way, He must come first because that is what the Bible says.
THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. What is taught other than the truth of Jesus Christ is confusion and it is not Biblical.
It's not about "evangelicals" or "having it right"..................there is one truth in God's Word.
Not according to the 30,000 + denominations.
See the fruit of exclusiviness and division that perpetuates when we say we have the Holy Spirit and we really don't. When we buy into the the traditions of definitions and watered down translations.
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If you do not have Christ living in you, you do not have the Holy Spirit either. You cannot walk as Christ did UNTIL you have accepted Him by faith as your Lord and Savior. Christ is the only way, He must come first because that is what the Bible says.
And if we say that we have Him living in us and keep not His commandments then we are not being truthful. The Spirit will not be grieved, it will not abide in iniquity.
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THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. What is taught other than the truth of Jesus Christ is confusion and it is not Biblical.
The Bible says a lot of things that get ignored, and there are Bible translations that have no glory towards God.
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Alpha's right...the foul stench is overwhelming.
I rather smell reality than cover it with sweet smelling perfume.
Eventually we must deal with the decaying doctrines of rotted fruit.
Not according to the 30,000 + denominations.
See the fruit of exclusiviness and division that perpetuates when we say we have the Holy Spirit and we really don't. When we buy into the the traditions of definitions and watered down translations.
And if we say that we have Him living in us and keep not His commandments then we are not being truthful. The Spirit will not be grieved, it will not abide in iniquity.
The Bible says a lot of things that get ignored, and there are Bible translations that have no glory towards God.
I rather smell reality than cover it with sweet smelling perfume.
Eventually we must deal with the decaying doctrines of rotted fruit.
Jesus is the ONLY way without question or hesitation, He said so Himself, I believe that the word of God is sure and so I believe it to be so.............after all who else can say that they have died for my sins and are now today risen again???? He is the ONLY way
Not according to the 30,000 + denominations.
See the fruit of exclusiviness and division that perpetuates when we say we have the Holy Spirit and we really don't. When we buy into the the traditions of definitions and watered down translations.
No one said anything about denominations. When faced with the simple truth, your arguments turn into deliberate attempts at confusion. THAT is not scriptural. We all know who the author of confusion is. This is about faith in Jesus Christ as the only way to the Father and salvation from eternal damnation. Doesn't get any more clear or simple than that.
The Holy Spirit IS NOT A FACTOR UNTIL JESUS IS ACCEPTED INTO SOMEONE'S LIFE. You don't have to work your way up to being a god to have Jesus in your life. There's no required perfection involved or certain criteria you have to meet. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS INVITE JESUS CHRIST INTO YOUR HEART AND LIFE BY FAITH, REPENT AND LIVE A GODLY LIFE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
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And if we say that we have Him living in us and keep not His commandments then we are not being truthful. The Spirit will not be grieved, it will not abide in iniquity.
Agreed.
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The Bible says a lot of things that get ignored, and there are Bible translations that have no glory towards God.
Once again, we're talking the simple truth of salvation and Jesus Christ being the ONLY WAY to that salvation. Simple. No one said anything about ignoring the Bible or different translations. If a person is not truly saved, then OF COURSE they will be ignoring the Bible and reaching for their own understanding of things.
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I rather smell reality than cover it with sweet smelling perfume.
Eventually we must deal with the decaying doctrines of rotted fruit
The reality is that the world is filled with lies, half-truths, and false doctrines. Those are the things that are being smothered in cheap perfume.
There is but one way, through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross so that we may experience eternal life with Him.
There's plenty that is decaying with the false doctrines, but no one seems to want to refute them.
No one said anything about denominations. When faced with the simple truth, your arguments turn into deliberate attempts at confusion. THAT is not scriptural. We all know who the author of confusion is. This is about faith in Jesus Christ as the only way to the Father and salvation from eternal damnation. Doesn't get any more clear or simple than that.
Dotl, the point of the example is that it seems to be not that simple when there are so many opinions to it, confusion is the denominations, Jesus brought One church, and man turned it into a religion.
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The Holy Spirit IS NOT A FACTOR UNTIL JESUS IS ACCEPTED INTO SOMEONE'S LIFE. You don't have to work your way up to being a god to have Jesus in your life.
No, you certainly don't, but to see His face and abide in the Father, overcoming sin is required. Salvation provides the opportunity to grow, it doesn't blind God or Jesus to the reality of our degree of belief. They know clearly who are theirs and who are not.
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There's no required perfection involved or certain criteria you have to meet. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS INVITE JESUS CHRIST INTO YOUR HEART AND LIFE BY FAITH, REPENT AND LIVE A GODLY LIFE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
Your funny Dotl, that's what i love about you, no disrespect but your last statement could be discerned as a little confusing.
Note the requirements for having no requirements...especially LIVE A GODLY LIFE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.... Does the bible say BE thou Perfect as your Father in Heaven? Ofcourse it does, in fact the word perfect is used 42 times in the NT alone.
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Once again, we're talking the simple truth of salvation and Jesus Christ being the ONLY WAY to that salvation. Simple. No one said anything about ignoring the Bible or different translations. If a person is not truly saved, then OF COURSE they will be ignoring the Bible and reaching for their own understanding of things.
Being saved under todays definitions, do not bring automatically the gifts, ie discernment, prophecy, wisdom, or spiritual powers. The reason is that Today its, Christians arn't perfect just forgiven, say a prayer and do nothing else, try....etc.. dumb down, water down, keep the butts in seats and unoffended, unaccountable, unworthy.
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The reality is that the world is filled with lies, half-truths, and false doctrines. Those are the things that are being smothered in cheap perfume.
And those that teach false salvation are the perpetrators of it.
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There is but one way, through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross so that we may experience eternal life with Him.
What does it mean to you, through Jesus Christ?
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There's plenty that is decaying with the false doctrines, but no one seems to want to refute them.
I'm just one voice, crying in the ethernet...sharing the pure undefiled scriptures in print and in heart.
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Fear is also smelling to high heaven.
Huh? Don't know what your saying here.
godspeed,
freedom
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