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The one making the blanket statements is Suze. No one commented on my engineering example, either.
It is good advice. She’s not saying don’t do research first to make sure it’s a good fit for your goals, but there is no disadvantage to looking into it. You seem to be actually hostile toward CCs and I think it colors your advice.
It is good advice. She’s not saying don’t do research first to make sure it’s a good fit for your goals, but there is no disadvantage to looking into it. You seem to be actually hostile toward CCs and I think it colors your advice.
I don't know where you got such an idea. Perhaps you could elaborate on this bit of keyboard psychology.
I don't know where you got such an idea. Perhaps you could elaborate on this bit of keyboard psychology.
It’s just the attitude that comes across in your posts about it, they sound angry to me. There seems to be a “challenge” component to some of your responses like ‘oh yeah, I dare you to find an equivalency for THIS’ kind of thing.
It’s just the attitude that comes across in your posts about it, they sound angry to me. There seems to be a “challenge” component to some of your responses like ‘oh yeah, I dare you to find an equivalency for THIS’ kind of thing.
Keyboard psychology.
For all that some people say "the first two years are the same for every major", that's untrue, even in a plain vanilla liberal arts major. Unless you want to spend extra years, one usually starts on courses in their intended major by second semester freshman year. Some courses have various pre-reqs that need to be taken. These majors are designed to be completed at one school. Granted, people can and do transfer, but it almost always involves additional time.
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Depends on the field. Some programs are so difficult that it is almost impossible to go to school full-time and work as well.
depending on the field??? yeah sure, if i bought that argument, then i will say that the field they are planning on going into is going to be difficult too...
fyi life doesnt get easier once you leave school...
again figure out how to work a job if you have to rely on loans... because you either spend your time working as a student or working two jobs as a college grad to make up for the money you spent earlier
if they cant manage a job and school, how are they going to manage a job and raising a family? oh, i forgot, millennials these day tend to skip the raising a family part of life
a standard of responsibility is if you cant manage it, then the field is too hard for you... all that extra credit in school? no one cares about it... you dont get credit in life for turning in homework
^^We've had this, er, discussion before. It's sometimes very difficult to combine working with school. Someone always comes along and tells us how they went to school FT and worked FT and yada, yada. However, it takes up every bit of time you have and then some sometimes.
It's not analogous to working and raising a family. When you're doing that, you pay someone to watch the kids; you don't do both. Sometimes married couples can swing it with little to no day care; it depends on the jobs, their locations, the kids, etc.
^^We've had this, er, discussion before. It's sometimes very difficult to combine working with school. Someone always comes along and tells us how they went to school FT and worked FT and yada, yada. However, it takes up every bit of time you have and then some sometimes.
It's not analogous to working and raising a family. When you're doing that, you pay someone to watch the kids; you don't do both. Sometimes married couples can swing it with little to no day care; it depends on the jobs, their locations, the kids, etc.
and if you arent working while in school, you are paying people to support you... and if it is with a loan, they charge interest
how come people dont get this, if you take a loan out, you are paying them... the same way you are paying the school to let you attend class
besides, you can make near $9-10k in the summer break, this lets people have $1k/month during the school year to live on without needed loans. then they can work during the other breaks or 10-15 hours/week and manage to get by. they "work" 60-70 hours per week for school? they can do that during the school breaks too.
60-70 hours is normal for young people, either school+job now or doing the same 60-70 hours once they graduate. in a "difficult" field, those tech and financial jobs work their new hires long hours, on the low end of the job market they end up working those same hours but at two jobs...
difficulty isnt an excuse, its either you do it or not. if not then pick a different job because you wont make it for a lifetime career.
and if you arent working while in school, you are paying people to support you... and if it is with a loan, they charge interest
how come people dont get this, if you take a loan out, you are paying them... the same way you are paying the school to let you attend class
besides, you can make near $9-10k in the summer break, this lets people have $1k/month during the school year to live on without needed loans. then they can work during the other breaks or 10-15 hours/week and manage to get by. they "work" 60-70 hours per week for school? they can do that during the school breaks too.
60-70 hours is normal for young people, either school+job now or doing the same 60-70 hours once they graduate. in a "difficult" field, those tech and financial jobs work their new hires long hours, on the low end of the job market they end up working those same hours but at two jobs...
difficulty isnt an excuse, its either you do it or not. if not then pick a different job because you wont make it for a lifetime career.
I couldn’t work full time in OT school. I had an hour commute each way and no ability to choose class days and times as our schedule was set for us and we attended each class as a group. We were assigned community projects all over the city which we did in groups meeting after classes. We had clinical affiliations three months long each that were full time with no pay. I often spent hours in the library after and before classes. And yes, it was a hard program, with a lot of research required.
This was my future, and to me it would have been stupid to screw if up trying to make an extra $50 a week. No one paid for me here, I was an older student of which there are many now. My spouse supported me, I was lucky. I graduated Magna *** Laude in a very hard program after dropping out of high school 15 years earlier. You have no business judging me or anyone.
But regardless of whether someone can get a job, it does not justify why the costs have increased so much between then and now. As I said OTs now are graduating $100,000 in debt from the same school I graduated from $30,000 in debt 20 years ago, over 3x more the cost increased while salaries have increased by about 20% in that time.
Putting the onus all on the student and dismissing it as a non-issue is just evidence of the frog simmering in the pot to me.
OT like other schools havent changed much in tuition rates, its the room and board portion that increased more. going down the page, the room and board fees cost more than the tuition part https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...ional-Therapy/
i lost the link but there were a site that compared room and board to tuition from the 1960s to 2000s, and it showed about the same thing.
putting the onus on colleges and dismissing personal responsibility in taking out loans doesnt help anyone either
no, you dont HAVE to work a job, but if you need a loan for living costs... you had a spouse willing to support you, thats fine... now you help him out. bank "supports" the student, and now they help the bank out with monthly payments.
OT like other schools havent changed much in tuition rates, its the room and board portion that increased more. going down the page, the room and board fees cost more than the tuition part https://www.collegetuitioncompare.co...ional-Therapy/
i lost the link but there were a site that compared room and board to tuition from the 1960s to 2000s, and it showed about the same thing.
putting the onus on colleges and dismissing personal responsibility in taking out loans doesnt help anyone either
no, you dont HAVE to work a job, but if you need a loan for living costs... you had a spouse willing to support you, thats fine... now you help him out. bank "supports" the student, and now they help the bank out with monthly payments.
So, how did you do it?
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