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Unless something had changed drastically, the pre med curriculum for both is really the same, bio I/II, chem I/II, organic, statistics, intro anatomy and physiology, genetics, etc.
The curriculum is essentially the same, although vet schools have less standardized admission requirements than medical schools.
Because vet school is so competitive in some regions of the country, though, 3+ years of working with animals can be critical. A good pre-professional health adviser can help identify internships/volunteer/job opportunities that can be applied towards both career paths though.
I have a number of former students and advisees who are now vets. All of them had their hearts set on veterinary medicine since high school. It is much harder for a junior or senior premed to switch to vetmed than the reverse.
I'm just some dude on the internet. However, unless your kiddo has a burning passion for animals IMO she should manage undergrad such that she has a realistic shot at medicine or vet. medicine. It might be best if she made the medicine v. vet. medicine call after a year or two in college.
Vet. schools are fiendishly hard to get into, there are far fewer open slots per year vs. MD/DO paths. Vet. schools tend to cost about as much as most public medical schools and average vet. pay is not close to what MDs and DOs make. It's true, however, the path to becoming an MD/DO is generally three or four or more years longer.
FWIIW - between our son, his wife and our daughter all either are or will be MDs. Further, we own a ranch as such I know a number of vets. quite well.
Just some ideas, best of luck to your kiddo and you too!
Thanks! She will definitely be in a prevet program majoring in Biology first, maybe MSU. As well as working under a vet clinic. She has been at the Humane Society for 2 years as well as working on a farm.
Suze Ormon advises people to take their basics at a community college for 2 years, then transfer to a state university. And work part time while in college. People who follow this advice wind up with far less debt.
Having said that, many community colleges and state universities are starting to increase their tuition as well. If this trend does not reverse, only the very wealthy will be able to get degrees in the future.
Suze is wrong.
Point 1: You have to be careful about what will transfer. Also, don't believe that BS about how the first two years of college are exactly the same for everyone. Most students start taking courses in their majors freshman year. You wait too long and you'll end up going to school longer. Some programs, like some nursing programs, require very specific courses from the very beginning that a CC doesn't offer, even if they have a nursing program.
Point 2. Working has been discussed. Most jobs available to college students are low wage and if you're going to school, there is only a certain amount of time you can dedicate to the job.
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Depends on the field. Some programs are so difficult that it is almost impossible to go to school full-time and work as well.
Agreed. But I don't want to get into this argument again.
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Join the military, get free education, problem solved.
That’s what I had to do.
If you’re parents are poor and cheap like mine, you don’t have many options.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"; H L Mencken. The military is not meant to be a scholarship fund.
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I don’t recall hearing anyone forced in a trade at an early age. Usually kids who are involved in the trade and early age have a parent who is in a trade a family business, they are taught a skill. These are not the kids who need to go to trade school. The reason trade school students are in so much debt is that the schools pray on areas of poverty and tell these kids are this is going to be the answer to their dreams. All of the schools are located near poor neighborhoods. They take out loans and these kids names and half the time they don’t even understand what is being done to them. These are not blue color trades trade schools cover everything from certified nurses aids to x-ray techs To working in a restaurant. But they don’t provide a good education. And a documentary, they had to nursing students who went through the entire program I never set foot in a hospital. Neither had been able to get a job in nursing because their training had not been adequate. There of been investigations into them on and off, but nothing ever happens to them.
Community colleges I’ve never heard of satellite kids with that unless the kids just keep keep changing majors and never graduate. My community college experience was awesome but I graduated there with no debt it was only in my transfer program that I accrued debt.
There are many people on this forum who encourage people to send their kids to trade schools straight from high school.
Point 1: You have to be careful about what will transfer. Also, don't believe that BS about how the first two years of college are exactly the same for everyone. Most students start taking courses in their majors freshman year. You wait too long and you'll end up going to school longer. Some programs, like some nursing programs, require very specific courses from the very beginning that a CC doesn't offer, even if they have a nursing program.
Point 2. Working has been discussed. Most jobs available to college students are low wage and if you're going to school, there is only a certain amount of time you can dedicate to the job.
Agreed. But I don't want to get into this argument again.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"; H L Mencken. The military is not meant to be a scholarship fund.
There are many people on this forum who encourage people to send their kids to trade schools straight from high school.
Point 1: You have to be careful about what will transfer. Also, don't believe that BS about how the first two years of college are exactly the same for everyone. Most students start taking courses in their majors freshman year. You wait too long and you'll end up going to school longer. Some programs, like some nursing programs, require very specific courses from the very beginning that a CC doesn't offer, even if they have a nursing program.
Point 2. Working has been discussed. Most jobs available to college students are low wage and if you're going to school, there is only a certain amount of time you can dedicate to the job.
Agreed. But I don't want to get into this argument again.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"; H L Mencken. The military is not meant to be a scholarship fund.
There are many people on this forum who encourage people to send their kids to trade schools straight from high school.
I think it's a great idea, but not for CNA or something like the mills offer. There are legit trade schools for plumbing, electrician, well paying jobs that have a perpetual shortage.
Suze is not wrong, and we have argued about this before. Doing my first 2 years at CC was the best decision I made (along with my major). It is not difficult at all to make sure credits will transfer before you take them.
I have a lot to say on this, but I will start by saying that my parents paid for my college. When I got out, I asked my father if I could pay them back. He said, "YES! You can. You can pay us back by providing college for your own children."
I was determined at that time that I would indeed do that.
I have three children. I calculated that the only we we could actually provide them with "parent paid" education was to tell then to either start at community college and transfer to the local 4 year school, or go directly to the 4 year school while living at home. We have told them the "plan" since they were little. With only one income (I stopped working when one child needed me at home, but that isn't the purpose of this thread.)
Our local CC is (roughly) $3,000/year for tuition and fees.
Our local 4 year college is (roughly) $7,000/year for tuition and fees.
There is a reciprocal agreement between the two for *most* degrees.
Our children had the potential to spend $20K plus books and car/gas and get a full 4 year education. I didn't think that was too shabby, especially since there are some private Kindergarten-12th grade schools that run far more than that PER YEAR for tuition.
It has turned out that I have gone back to work full time, and we have been able to send our older two (currently in college) to schools that cost more. But my POINT is that you can spend far less on college than you think you can.
There are so many options! And scholarships. And even some community colleges across the country who offer selective 4 year degrees at CC college costs.
Unless something had changed drastically, the pre med curriculum for both is really the same, bio I/II, chem I/II, organic, statistics, intro anatomy and physiology, genetics, etc.
Yea. Both have the same college pre-reqs., generally anyway. It's the volunteer efforts, intern work and MCAT v. GRE (most vet. med programs will take one or the other), AMSA v. pre-vet club etc.
The curriculum is essentially the same, although vet schools have less standardized admission requirements than medical schools.
Because vet school is so competitive in some regions of the country, though, 3+ years of working with animals can be critical. A good pre-professional health adviser can help identify internships/volunteer/job opportunities that can be applied towards both career paths though.
I have a number of former students and advisees who are now vets. All of them had their hearts set on veterinary medicine since high school. It is much harder for a junior or senior premed to switch to vetmed than the reverse.
Thanks! She will definitely be in a prevet program majoring in Biology first, maybe MSU. As well as working under a vet clinic. She has been at the Humane Society for 2 years as well as working on a farm.
I think it's a great idea, but not for CNA or something like the mills offer. There are legit trade schools for plumbing, electrician, well paying jobs that have a perpetual shortage.
Suze is not wrong, and we have argued about this before. Doing my first 2 years at CC was the best decision I made (along with my major). It is not difficult at all to make sure credits will transfer before you take them.
Granted, there is an articulation agreement between the community college system in Colorado and some of the public universities regarding accepting certain courses, but some will count for elective credit only. As you can see, some of these special courses which FRCC nor any CC in Colorado likely offer need to be taken freshman year.
Here are the degree requirements for the nursing program at my university: https://www.nursing.pitt.edu/degree-...2018-2019-2020
Find some of these courses which must be taken freshman/sophomore year, in any CC catalog. Most of these are nursing courses specific to this university.
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