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Old 10-05-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Your post makes no sense. Nobody inherits graduating in debt. Taking on debt is a choice.
I don't know if you're just being obtuse or not, but I made it as clear as I can. I never said they inherited debt, they inherited a system that requires accruing large amounts of debt in order to obtain a degree which is necessary to succeed for most in said economy.
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Old 10-05-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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What ocnjgirl said plus:

If your program advises you NOT to work, you probably shouldn't work. DD said the students who did work had a harder time. Bosses tend not to be real flexible when you say "I have a final, paper/project due, and can't work as much this week".

What makes you think a student in a professional graduate program doesn't understand hard work and its value? Not to mention, the clinicals my daughter did were at numerous different "business models", e.g. a non-profit hospital, a for profit PT business, etc. "The real world" is one's world.
Business wont expose low level staff to anything complicated. They do the basic stuff that greases the wheels. School is not hard work or real work. The skills required to do real work become very apparent when you get into the trenches and see the real moving parts of an operation.
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Old 10-05-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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I don't know if you're just being obtuse or not, but I made it as clear as I can. I never said they inherited debt, they inherited a system that requires accruing large amounts of debt in order to obtain a degree which is necessary to succeed for most in said economy.
I think the problem is you think a person needs a college degree to succeed in the economy. The fact is most jobs (emphasis on jobs) don't even need a college education to do.

Unless a person is majoring in eningeering, business, or medical that requires a form of professional registration and licence a person is wasting their time and money in getting a college degree.
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Old 10-05-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Business wont expose low level staff to anything complicated. They do the basic stuff that greases the wheels. School is not hard work or real work. The skills required to do real work become very apparent when you get into the trenches and see the real moving parts of an operation.
This mindset is astonishing.
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Old 10-05-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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I think the problem is you think a person needs a college degree to succeed in the economy. The fact is most jobs (emphasis on jobs) don't even need a college education to do.

Unless a person is majoring in eningeering, business, or medical that requires a form of professional registration and licence a person is wasting their time and money in getting a college degree.
You are full of beans.

2016 numbers all families across the US (source Federal Reserve Bank St. Louis):
Median wealth college degree - $238,000
Median wealth non-college grad - $54,000

You should add finance, accounting, computer science, law, various health (not just MD/DO), myriad agriculture degrees and dozens of others.


https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-ec...grads-nongrads
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Old 10-05-2018, 04:08 PM
 
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Business wont expose low level staff to anything complicated. They do the basic stuff that greases the wheels. School is not hard work or real work. The skills required to do real work become very apparent when you get into the trenches and see the real moving parts of an operation.
To quote EDS above, you are full of beans. In addition if it is true that "(b)usiness wont expose low level staff to anything complicated. They do the basic stuff that greases the wheels." (which with I agree), what's the point of working?

"School is not hard work or real work." Are you serious? Have you gone to physical therapy school?
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Old 10-05-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: super bizarre weather land
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You are full of beans.

2016 numbers all families across the US (source Federal Reserve Bank St. Louis):
Median wealth college degree - $238,000
Median wealth non-college grad - $54,000

You should add finance, accounting, computer science, law, various health (not just MD/DO), myriad agriculture degrees and dozens of others.


https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-ec...grads-nongrads
Later in life when said person is still making $12/hr and barely making it this is the same kind of person who says you should have gone to college or trade school to get an advanced degree. Everyone I know who is all anti-college or whatever also looks down on low wage earners.
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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I think the problem is you think a person needs a college degree to succeed in the economy. The fact is most jobs (emphasis on jobs) don't even need a college education to do.

Unless a person is majoring in eningeering, business, or medical that requires a form of professional registration and licence a person is wasting their time and money in getting a college degree.
That's a whole different argument. I do think a BA is the new high school diploma. I agree with you about the "general" degrees like psychology. This has nothing to do with working while in college though.
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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You are full of beans.

2016 numbers all families across the US (source Federal Reserve Bank St. Louis):
Median wealth college degree - $238,000
Median wealth non-college grad - $54,000

You should add finance, accounting, computer science, law, various health (not just MD/DO), myriad agriculture degrees and dozens of others.


https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-ec...grads-nongrads
Right, that is thanks in part to high paying engineering and medical professions.


Finance is not a regulated profession. That can be learned without going to college.

Computer science is another degree that can be learned without going to college.

Accounting is included per my original "regulated profession" depending on career path.

Should of included law as that is regulated.

Medical, only worth is to major if becoming a MD or equivalent.

Agriculture you don't need a degree to garden or farm.

Dozens of others? You tell me.
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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You are full of beans.

2016 numbers all families across the US (source Federal Reserve Bank St. Louis):
Median wealth college degree - $238,000
Median wealth non-college grad - $54,000

You should add finance, accounting, computer science, law, various health (not just MD/DO), myriad agriculture degrees and dozens of others.


https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-ec...grads-nongrads
because colleges tend to select people who show traits that lead to them being successful... college didnt make them successful, they would have figured something else if college had not been there for them to use

you ever go to a basketball match and say wow playing basketball makes people taller? no, because they were tall already which made them good at it. or being fast or anything else... coaching lets you get better at things you already do well and teach you to do things you didnt. but it does not "make" people successful, you do that yourself
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