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Old 09-10-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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Wildlife in Africa prospered for uncounted thousands of years without any help at all from Great White Hunters ...
Your abjections should be directed at the governments.

Not the hunters.

No permits........no guided hunts.
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Old 09-10-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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BTW, not only whites hunt.

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Old 09-10-2015, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Your abjections should be directed at the governments.

Not the hunters.

No permits........no guided hunts.
Exploitation and abuse of Africa -- the people, the land, the creatures -- goes back a good number of centuries, always with the assurances that *we* are doing the right thing, a good thing, that is in *their* best interest …

Just trust us …

We will *manage* your burgeoning human population by taking many of you away to work for us …

We will claim and colonize Africa as ours, govern you, and take all that gold, diamonds and copper off your hands …

We will shoot the lions for you (to protect your kids), we will kill your elephants and appreciate the ivory, etc., etc. …

Oh, please ...
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Old 09-10-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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Exploitation and abuse of Africa -- the people, the land, the creatures -- goes back a good number of centuries, always with the assurances that *we* are doing the right thing, a good thing, that is in *their* best interest …

Just trust us …

We will *manage* your burgeoning human population by taking many of you away to work for us …

We will claim and colonize Africa as ours, govern you, and take all that gold, diamonds and copper off your hands …

We will shoot the lions for you (to protect your kids), we will kill your elephants and appreciate the ivory, etc., etc. …

Oh, please ...
Good........now you are mad at the right people.
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Old 09-10-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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Such a disgusting POS. hope there is karma. I hate trophy hunters.
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Old 09-10-2015, 05:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wildlife in Africa prospered for uncounted thousands of years without any help at all from Great White Hunters ...
Now come on, it was people in general that populated the Continent and hunted all game. You are starting to sound like an apologist.
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Old 09-10-2015, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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Wildlife in Africa prospered for uncounted thousands of years without any help at all from Great White Hunters ...
I'll repost this again, just for you:

Centuries ago there were no conservation laws or licensing requirements to take big game. Big game in Africa were hunted into endangerment by locals who killed whatever they saw, whenever they saw or needed it. Without any discrimination, conservation, or thought of habitat. Much the way Buffalo were hunted here in the 1800's. Even today poaching by locals is a serious danger to these animals well being. NOT by being professionally hunted. If all these locals were allowed to indiscriminately hunt anything and everything they chose, these animals would have been hunted to extinction decades, if not centuries ago.

Today all fish and game is managed by conservation laws. Both here as well as all over the world. You can no longer just kill whatever you want to, whenever you feel like. If you so much as cast a fishing line without a proper license, you'll be heavily fined, or even arrested.

What natives did in Africa 200 years ago has zero bearing on civilized life today in these African countries. Today there is no way locals in Africa could possibly afford a tag to hunt elephant, or even Buffalo. An elephant license can cost upward of over $50,000.00 US. The locals are dependent on whatever meat they can ranch, which is very limited. Most African natives have enough difficulty feeding themselves, let alone purchase feed for cattle. If it's even available in these remote African villages, which many times it is not.

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Old 09-10-2015, 08:38 PM
 
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from "Science" (one of the handful of premier scientific journals, globally), 21 August 2015, pp. 784-85 …

A Most Unusual (Super)Predator: Effects of Human Hunting and Fishing Differ Fundamentally from Those of Other Predators.


" … human hunters and fishers focus so heavily on adults, rather than juveniles, the preferred prey for most nonhuman predators … Probably this relates again to our technological means, which, for example, allow killing from a safe distance, and specific culture, for example hunting for trophy and status. This unique preference, however, has implications for the sustainability of exploitation and even the course of evolution. Adult individuals provide the 'reproductive capital' of a population, akin to the financial capital in a bank account or retirement fund. … Depleting the capital is risky, particularly in long-lived, late-maturing organisms. Trophy hunters and fishers, in particular, often target the largest, healthiest, and fittest organisms. … As a consequence, the gene pool of many exploited populations changes in ways that could compromise their potential to recover from previous exploitation." …

Good science, ladies and gentlemen boys and girls … It's called "population biology" …

"Trophy" hunting is not good for the population … It's just not ...
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Old 09-10-2015, 08:55 PM
 
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from "Science" (one of the handful of premier scientific journals, globally), 21 August 2015, pp. 784-85 …

A Most Unusual (Super)Predator: Effects of Human Hunting and Fishing Differ Fundamentally from Those of Other Predators.


" … human hunters and fishers focus so heavily on adults, rather than juveniles, the preferred prey for most nonhuman predators … Probably this relates again to our technological means, which, for example, allow killing from a safe distance, and specific culture, for example hunting for trophy and status. This unique preference, however, has implications for the sustainability of exploitation and even the course of evolution. Adult individuals provide the 'reproductive capital' of a population, akin to the financial capital in a bank account or retirement fund. … Depleting the capital is risky, particularly in long-lived, late-maturing organisms. Trophy hunters and fishers, in particular, often target the largest, healthiest, and fittest organisms. … As a consequence, the gene pool of many exploited populations changes in ways that could compromise their potential to recover from previous exploitation." …

Good science, ladies and gentlemen boys and girls … It's called "population biology" …

"Trophy" hunting is not good for the population … It's just not ...
You've either read to much Darwin or not enough depending on your leverage.
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Old 09-10-2015, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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You've either read to much Darwin or not enough depending on your leverage.
LOL …

Chuck Darwin remains one of my scientific heroes, but was of the 19th century, and biology has come a very long way in the last 150 years … Not everybody has kept up, but I have done so ...
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