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Old 03-22-2020, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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It's believed it works by allowing zinc permutation.

Would you provide a reference, please?

No mention of zinc here.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0
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Old 03-23-2020, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Spaniard living in Slovakia
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I have another question. Here the TV says masks are useless unless you have symptoms, but if you are asymptomatic but a carrier, wouldn't you infect others? My parents are over 60, what if I am a carrier and I infect them?
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Old 03-23-2020, 02:08 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Misconceptions about what can protect you are becoming just as contagious as the virus.
There is no evidence that supplements like zinc, green tea and echinacea are beneficial to prevent coronavirus, said Dr. Mark J. Mulligan, M.D., division director of the infectious diseases and vaccine center at NYU Langone Medical Center. “I do not recommend spending money on supplements for this purpose.”

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-myths.html
Indeed.

Let's all eat low-nutrition, processed and expensive junk and fake food, then spend even more money on expensive, ineffective supplements and eventually super expensive pharmaceuticals.

Let's not eat real, wholesome, relatively inexpensive food that we prepare with our own hands and rich in a wide variety of vitamins and minerals, including zinc, that the body can actually absorb effectively.

Let's do the one, and not the other, experience the results, then do it again and again and again expecting different results each time.

All the best!
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Old 03-23-2020, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Green tea is pretty darn cheap and has other health benefits. There's really no harm, of all the things to be concerned about right now.
This is true...I drink green tea myself, but I don't expect it to cure covid 19, should I get infected.
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Old 03-23-2020, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Indeed.

Let's all eat low-nutrition, processed and expensive junk and fake food, then spend even more money on expensive, ineffective supplements and eventually super expensive pharmaceuticals.

Let's not eat real, wholesome, relatively inexpensive food that we prepare with our own hands and rich in a wide variety of vitamins and minerals, including zinc, that the body can actually absorb effectively.

Let's do the one, and not the other, experience the results, then do it again and again and again expecting different results each time.

All the best!
What brought that rant on?....Those are not my words, it's just a copy and paste from the article I linked to....Disagree, fine but no need for all that sarcasm.
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Old 03-23-2020, 03:47 AM
 
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Misconceptions about what can protect you are becoming just as contagious as the virus.
There is no evidence that supplements like zinc, green tea and echinacea are beneficial to prevent coronavirus, said Dr. Mark J. Mulligan, M.D., division director of the infectious diseases and vaccine center at NYU Langone Medical Center. “I do not recommend spending money on supplements for this purpose.”

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-myths.html





I think there is a middle ground here. Just because there is no evidence simply means that there were not studies done on the subject to provide such evidence. That does not mean there is no potential benefit and that people should not try them if they are prudent about it and safe. Things like green tea and and garlic have many known health benefits and while I doubt they prevent or cure something like covid-19, I really can't imagine how they would not improve someone's outcome from it.



What I mean by middle ground is, I think we are capable of avoiding the true scams and snake oil nonsense that people might post on Facebook but we can also recognize that supplements and healthy foods actually DO BENEFIT people and telling them to avoid them or not to take them is irresponsible as well.
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Old 03-23-2020, 04:15 AM
 
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Dr. Hotez infectious disease specialist, apparently designed a vaccine against SARS (a coronavirus) a decade ago. Like the RSV vaccine, it apparently caused a worse reaction, rather than being protective. From a NYT article today:

"One candidate coronavirus vaccine Dr. Hotez invented 10 years ago in the wake of SARS, he said, had to be abandoned when it appeared to make mice more likely to die from pneumonia when they were experimentally infected with the virus."

This is a known problem, and the reason why we do NOT have an RSV vaccine to this day. Immunizing the individual against the virus just seems to cause a more dangerous immune overreaction in the lungs, causing severe pneumonia. This is bad, Dory! We have not yet been able to come up with an RSV vaccine, but instead have to give vulnerable infants antibody shots monthly through the RSV season.

This makes me very discouraged about the likelihood of effective immunization against the coronavirus even being possible.

You cannot compare a ****tily funded study from 17 years ago to a well funded one today. They discontinued all money on the SARS vaccine research several months in because the pandemic ended. Also, medicine was not as advanced. I know people will argue with me on that but 17 years is an eternity as far as medical advancement. There were many cancers people died from in 2003 such as CLL and AML which today they generally can be kept alive for a decade or more. SARS was also a much more serious virus than this is.
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Old 03-23-2020, 04:31 AM
 
Location: North America
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You cannot compare a ****tily funded study from 17 years ago to a well funded one today. They discontinued all money on the SARS vaccine research several months in because the pandemic ended. Also, medicine was not as advanced. I know people will argue with me on that but 17 years is an eternity as far as medical advancement. There were many cancers people died from in 2003 such as CLL and AML which today they generally can be kept alive for a decade or more. SARS was also a much more serious virus than this is.
Your rant doesn't change the underlying fact: a vaccine that looks promising must still be rigorously tested, because while it may well have great effect in its object, it may produce a side-effect that completely counterbalances that effect - and more.

And, no, 'But! But! 17 years! Advances!' is not a counter-argument that has any logical basis whatsoever.
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Old 03-23-2020, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Indeed.

Let's all eat low-nutrition, processed and expensive junk and fake food, then spend even more money on expensive, ineffective supplements and eventually super expensive pharmaceuticals.

Let's not eat real, wholesome, relatively inexpensive food that we prepare with our own hands and rich in a wide variety of vitamins and minerals, including zinc, that the body can actually absorb effectively.

Let's do the one, and not the other, experience the results, then do it again and again and again expecting different results each time.

All the best!
Eat the good food, skip the supplements. Unless you are deficient, more vitamins and minerals are not necessary.
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Old 03-23-2020, 07:22 AM
 
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Your rant doesn't change the underlying fact: a vaccine that looks promising must still be rigorously tested, because while it may well have great effect in its object, it may produce a side-effect that completely counterbalances that effect - and more.

And, no, 'But! But! 17 years! Advances!' is not a counter-argument that has any logical basis whatsoever.
My hunch is most people will get this (even if they don’t know it) before a vaccine comes anyway. And yes, 17 years is an eternity. Go look at death rates for men age 20-30 from testicular cancer and Hodgkin’s lymphoma in 1970 and then go look at them in 1987.
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