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Old 12-07-2013, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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My house's temperature is just above freezing. I left my faucets dripping and that is all I can do for now. I am at a friend's house but after two nights I have to find alternate arrangements. Right now Oncor has no estimate of when power will be back on; from others I've heard estimates ranging from 3pm today to 1pm tomorrow to 9pm Monday. So, who knows. "Someday" seems to be the consensus.
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I've lived in West Arapaho Height between Waterview and Mimosa about 18 months. This is the first time I've lost power. I was without power for a total of 7.5 hours since Thursday night, most of that between midnight and 6 AM Friday morning.
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What an absolutely wonderful day!
Widespread and long-lasting power outages
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I'm not going to make this into a city A vs city B... I think the response is inadequate. But maybe that's because there is simply no manpower or sufficient tools for such a response. And perhaps that's because of the simple fact that this does not happen on a regular basis.
The local media here is reporting that Centerpoint Energy is sending additional manpower and equipment from Houston to DFW today, so maybe that will make a difference. I hope so...
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Dallas area, Texas
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I'm not going to make this into a city A vs city B... I think the response is inadequate. But maybe that's because there is simply no manpower or sufficient tools for such a response. And perhaps that's because of the simple fact that this does not happen on a regular basis.

Either way, while I'm thankful that there apparently has been some response, I think the general consensus towards a storm like this is accepted defeat... it happens once a year and every time it happens we shut down, why should this be any different?

But what do I know - I've only been here 1 1/2 years. Just an aspect of life I have to accept and I'm going to act accordingly.
Not accepted defeat, but reluctance to fund equipment and manpower for what might happen every 3-5 years. Yes, this is a financial blot, but funding annually what it would take to negate a POSSIBLE ice storm would cost a lot more.

North Texas is an automobile area. LOTS of cars for LOTS of miles of roadway. To keep snow plows sitting in a warehouse, in running order, just in case we get ice is a big expense. Keeping people employed just so that they can drive those plows; another big $$ hit.

Those chemical deicers got washed away by the freezing rain and even salt will wash away if it is not put down right before the freezing rain starts freezing. So, we need even MORE trucks to put down salt than lots of trucks, or it won't work to clear the roads.

Gosh, it will be expensive to clear this occasional ice off of the roads.

The power company tries to keep the trees away from power lines, and people complain when they hack the trees into funny shapes. That doesn't keep the trees from icing and breaking lines, but it does decrease the chances. So, the power companies would have to perform a scorched earth, no trees within 50' of power lines or spend huge amounts of OUR money to bury all of the power lines. And buried power lines don't transmit the power as efficiently as above ground, so that would be another cost on top of the burying costs.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Blah
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I heard something about possible Freezing Fog tonight? Is there such a thing?
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I heard something about possible Freezing Fog tonight? Is there such a thing?
Did you watch the Baylor game earlier ? They were having and yes it's true.

There is a lot of moisture in the air right now which will turn to ice crystals.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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I'm not going to make this into a city A vs city B... I think the response is inadequate. But maybe that's because there is simply no manpower or sufficient tools for such a response. And perhaps that's because of the simple fact that this does not happen on a regular basis.

Either way, while I'm thankful that there apparently has been some response, I think the general consensus towards a storm like this is accepted defeat... it happens once a year and every time it happens we shut down, why should this be any different?

But what do I know - I've only been here 1 1/2 years. Just an aspect of life I have to accept and I'm going to act accordingly.
Can you explain why it is taking Oncor Energy as much as 3 days to restore power to the 250,000+ that lost power? Can you explain why DFW airport has had over 1,000 flight cancellations? Can you explain why all public and private schools were closed? Can you explain why colleges and universities cancelled classes? Can you explain why numerous government offices were closed? Can you explain why the U.S. Post Office refused to deliver some mail on Friday and also Saturday? (Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these carriers from swift completion of their appointed rounds. Rain nor shine, snow or sleet, we deliver your mail!...except when the ice and sleet gets really bad in the Metroplex!!!)

The single answer to all these questions is; because the ice storm got damn bad around here!

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Old 12-07-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Rant all you want, but don't tell me they do it better somewhere else and we should do it that way.
Even when they do do it better somewhere else and we could learn something from it? I lived in Europe for years. YEARS. I lived through winters far worse than this, and ice like this was called SATURDAY in some locations. But guess what? We were able to travel around and never lost power. This is because our lines were buried.

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I heard something about possible Freezing Fog tonight? Is there such a thing?
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There is a lot of moisture in the air right now which will turn to ice crystals.
What Rakin said.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Freezing Fog... I think it also has to do with a layer of warm moist air sitting on top of the cold air

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesc/picc28057.php
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Not only burying wires solve power issues but area would look nicer. It's just so annoying to see power lines where ever you look.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Not only burying wires solve power issues but area would look nicer. It's just so annoying to see power lines where ever you look.
Most new areas are buried. It's mostly the older that are not.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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It amazes me how the local governments don't do anything to clean the roads. In most other parts of the country, the roads would have been cleaned like 2 days ago. In Dallas they just sit and wait for the best. What's even scarier is that most tax payers are perfectly ok with it and they take it like "well it is what it is." What happened to those days when Texans used to ask tough questions to the government, such as "dude where is my tax money?"
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