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Old 06-04-2012, 08:53 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Not to mention that the manufactured War on Women created by the democrats has backfired brilliantly in their faces, as with every new poll, Romney gains more and more with women.

Also, not to mention that not even WOMEN agree with the op.

Romney the best president money can buy! I guess if you keep pouring money into a lie eventually someone would began to believe it
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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But Obama blamed Bush, saying high gas prices are a sign of failed presidential policies, not due to world wide demand, now he's facing the exact same problem and the public is looking for him, to do something about it.

Rightly, or wrongly, this issue is something he fabricated to win, and he fabricated to get policies through, by blaming oil speculators for example, so when his policies fail to do anything, then its fair to look at him and ask why this time is any different than before.

Blaming worldwide demand, isnt going to sit well with many americans who he spent so long convincing otherwise.

Can you quote where he said that it was bush's fault? Everyone with any sense (except newt) knows that the president cannot control world commodities such a the cost of oil. I remember him stating that less than 3 months ago
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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The current debt crisis has nothing to do with the cause of the recession, so we can remove the tax cuts portion from your list of reasons.

How about you explain to us exactly what deregulation by the republicans caused the recession.

Prove that you have an IQ higher than your shoe size Gringo.



How about the repeal of the law that prohibits banks from dealing in derivitives (sp) for a start
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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How about the repeal of the law that prohibits banks from dealing in derivitives (sp) for a start
Done under Clinton.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Done under Clinton.

By the GOP house/senate.

Look up Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act.

Yes, we'd all be so much better off today if Clinton would have vetoed that piece of Republican legislation.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: North America
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There are many moderates in this country who might be willing to consider giving the Republicans a shot at trying to fix the economy, but the thing that stops them cold is the horrible reputation the Republicans have on social issues. They don't want to give Rebulicans control because they see what Republicans do and have desires to do to suppress women (subject them to invasive medically unnecessary vaginal ultrasounds, fight against equal pay for equal work, return to the practice of allowing medical insurance companies to charge more for women), suppress gays (by denying them the opportunity to marry and have their marriages recognized), suppress minorities (by passing laws that make every Hispanic looking person a suspect of being here illegally), suppress the poor (by cutting safety nets), suppress the elderly (by ruining Social Security through privitization and undermining Medicare), suppress voters (by trying every way they can to suppress voter turn-out and make it more difficult for citizens to vote). And on top of all that, you want to pad the bank accounts of the rich.

That is just too much to handle. The costs are too high to give the Republicans the White House to see if they could do a better job than Obama on the economy.

If Republicans were just fiscally conservative, that would be one thing. But, the socially conservative oppressive positions make Republicans completely repulsive. They take away freedoms and take away opportunities for advancement, and you lose a lot of votes you might otherwise get because of that.
Problem is, they are partially to blame for the mess we're in now, dating back to clinton. The deregulation fo the banking industry started the ball rolling. They tout fiscal conservatism, execpt when it comes to their own pet projects. Both sides do it, but when the GOP bases it's platform on it, it shows them the hypocrites that they are. Spending increased when they were in charge of both legislative and executive branches. They cut taxes, but didn't bother to cut spending. Add two wars (one based on either bad or deliberately misleading information), and the housing meltdown, and voi-la! the worst recession in a generation.

Add to that their dismal record on social issues, and it's a perfect storm. So, no, I will not be voting for Mittens this November.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: North America
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By the GOP house/senate.

Look up Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act.

Yes, we'd all be so much better off today if Clinton would have vetoed that piece of Republican legislation.

Yep, written by 3 GOPers and signed, ill-advisedly by Clinton. It paved the way for the Great Recession.

Apparently, nobody learned a thing from the Great Depression.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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"We have a spending problem" may make a bumper sticker but it's not true. Since Bush lowered taxes in 2001, the government has gone from surplus to deficits every year.

Federal taxes are near historic lows and much lower, in particular, than at any point during the conservative Ronald Reagan presidency.
Lies and liberals are common bedfellows.

Revenues for 2012 are $2.49 trillion. Record revenues were $2.53 trillion.
However, spending increased from $2.9 trillion at peak revenue to $3.9 trillion in 2012.

So let me see...................... we have about a 4-5% decline in revenue and have a 30% increase in spending and you say we have a revenue problem? Perhaps you need to work on your cipherin'.

You need another tactic, as this one works about as well as the contention that the "rate" of government spending has not increased. The debates will be hilarious if Obama is going to use those "arguments" without a teleprompter.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Revenues for 2012 are $2.49 trillion. Record revenues were $2.53 trillion.
Do we have official revenue numbers for 2012? Or is that a guess? In any case, $2.49T in 2012 is about 10% lower than it was in 2000, and considerably lower (by $700-$800 billion) if you consider the size of the economy.

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However, spending increased from $2.9 trillion at peak revenue to $3.9 trillion in 2012.
How did you arrive a this "peak revenue" of $2.9T? And spending at $3.9T for 2012? I see neither. And when comparing two years, are you accounting for economy/population size, and inflation?
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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By the GOP house/senate.

Look up Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act.

Yes, we'd all be so much better off today if Clinton would have vetoed that piece of Republican legislation.
It was voted on 90-8-2 in the Senate and 362-57-15 in the House. It was a very bipartsan bill.

Yours is another excellent post showing why we are in such a mess. Too many willing to forgive practically anything from one side while condemning the other for the very same actions.
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