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Old 08-08-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Who still never ran Bain Capital.
So someone who ran the company six years prior is more responsible than the person that actually closed down the plant? Liberal logic at its finest.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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I really watch very little on TV besides baseball and hockey along with the DISCOVERY or SCIENCE channels.

But I completely realize that you have no other choice but to attempt lame insults.

SOMEHOW you keep missing my points.....

1) If this is a "good rule"....then why was it dumped on a Friday afternoon like administrations always do with stuff they don't want people to hear about?

2) Do you really want me to believe that Obama would just come right out and say in plain English that just before an election that will depend very much on him getting poor people on welfare to vote for him that he's removing the work requirement? Or isn't it more plausible that it would be worded in a way where they can deny that?

3) When this law was signed by Clinton, they specifically said that requirement COULD NOT BE WAIVED, but Obama found a LOOPHOLE since that requirement is merely mentioned in another section where waivers can be made. And you believe that Obama's lawyers didn't "bend" the intent which was NOT to allow a waiver of that part of the law?

Please....tell me more about how you don't drink the Obama KoolAid to the point of drunkeness.....

Oh you poor kid. Still refuse to let it go, each time you respond its with more and more false information. Pointing out your inept ability to have a honest conversation is really tired.

The Memo is dated and circulated July 12th, which was a Wednesday. Like Romney, you chose to Lie and Spin in hopes that no one will catch it. My KoolAid is one of knowledge and common sense. Unfortunately for someone like you, you haven't reached that level. Sorry.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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No...that is a FACT.

Pretty bad when your argument is disproven by the Democratic Party's own court case isn't it?
Liberals only believe "facts" when they come from Reid's imaginary friends.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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So someone who ran the company six years prior is more responsible than the person that actually closed down the plant? Liberal logic at its finest.
It might make more sense to you if you actually knew when the plant closed. Just a thought.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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One of Obama's super PACs released another disgusting and false attack ad against Mitt Romney today.

The ad features a guy who worked at a steel company in Kansas City who claims Mitt Romney closed down the plant and he lost his health insurance. Then his Wife died of cancer as a result of that.

First of all...the ad DISGUSTINGLY politicizes the death of this poor lady!! I guess politicizing her death is OK for the Left. Heck, it all but insinuates that Romney is guilty of 2nd degree murder!

But then, as if that's not bad enough, the ad is SO full of lies that it turns ones stomach......

a) The steel plant closed YEARS AFTER Romney left Bain Capital

b) When the steel plant closed, an OBAMA BUNDLER was in charge of Bain Capital

c) This guy's Wife died 4 years AFTER the plant closed and 6 years after Romney left Bain.

d) If that were today, what would Obama have done? Obama's IRS would TAX him for not having health insurance adding insult to injury

e) He says in the ad that he took his Wife to the hospital and she was admitted...so she DID get health care despite not having insurance

d) If this were today, would Obama have prevented her cancer or cured her?

f) Do you think those GM Dealers who Obama closed down, or the Gulf Oil Drillers who Obama put out of work also lost their health care as a result of Obama's policies? Some of them may have even had family members that died of cancer....is Obama responsible?
I wouldn't go so far as to say "another", but I do agree that this ad is foundless and should be pulled.

Consider, though, that that's what you reap when you sow "communist, socialist, fascist, Kenyan, blahblahblah". Also a pack of damned lies by damned liars.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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Neither did Romney after 1999.
That's nice. So you'll agree, I take it, that Romney did in fact run Bain in 1993, when it took over GST?

Because something really interesting happened then... See, Bain invested $8 million in GST, which was a company with a fairly good credit rating. Having gained control, they made the company issue bonds for $125 million. That's something a company with a decent credit rating can do. So where did that lovely chunk of cash go? Well, $65 million went to stockholders in the form of dividends - and wouldn't you know, Bain capital was a major stockholder, how lucky is that? So Bain made $36.1 million in dividends in 1994. For an $8 million investment, that's pretty good. Even better, it was GST that held the debt - not Bain. In avery real sense, Bain bought GST for GST's own money. In 1995, GST's debt had rocketed to $378 million. They struggled to pay interest on their debt and when a crisis in steel hit in the ate 1990s, they foundered.

So while you're right that GST didn't bleed out after Romney had left Bain, he was very much at the helm when Bain did its magical trick of buying a company with good credit, borrowing every dime possible, pocket a good chunk of the money, and leave the company, its employees and its creditors holding the bag.

It's legal. It's also fairly despicable.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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Oh you poor kid.
How old would you say I am???? Come-on.....guess!

Just wondering because you don't know a single thing about me and you make these lame attempts at insults which only serve to show you are struggling with this debate.

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The Memo is dated and circulated July 12th, which was a Wednesday.

Circulated to the government parties involved you mean. But it wasn't announced to the media publicly until the following Friday which is why many headlines read that he tried to "sneak" it under the radar.



Obama’s Trick to Get Around Work Requirements

Friday the Obama Administration issued a new directive stating that the traditional TANF work requirements can be waived or overridden by a legal device called the section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315).


Section 1115 states that “the Secretary may waive compliance with any of the requirements” of specified parts of various laws. But this is not an open-ended authority: Any provision of law that can be waived under section 1115 must be listed in section 1115 itself. The work provisions of the TANF program are contained in section 407 (entitled, appropriately, “mandatory work requirements”). Critically, this section, as well as most other TANF requirements, are deliberately not listed in section 1115; they are not waiveable.


In establishing TANF, Congress deliberately exempted or shielded nearly all of the TANF program from the section 1115 waiver authority. They did not want the law to be rewritten at the whim of Health and Human Services (HHS) bureaucrats. Of the roughly 35 sections of the TANF law, only one is listed as waiveable under section 1115. This is section 402.


Section 402 describes state plans—reports that state governments must file to HHS describing the actions they will undertake to comply with the many requirements established in the other sections of the TANF law. The authority to waive section 402 provides the option to waive state reporting requirements only, not to overturn the core requirements of the TANF program contained in the other sections of the TANF law.


The new Obama dictate asserts that because the work requirements, established in section 407, are mentioned as an item that state governments must report about in section 402, all the work requirements can be waived. This removes the core of the TANF program; TANF becomes a blank slate that HHS bureaucrats and liberal state bureaucrats can rewrite at will.




Sorry there but you'll have to get up pretty early in the morning to outwit me.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:21 PM
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to say "another", but I do agree that this ad is foundless and should be pulled.

Consider, though, that that's what you reap when you sow "communist, socialist, fascist, Kenyan, blahblahblah". Also a pack of damned lies by damned liars.
The ad is a bit tasteless, but hey, everybody's doing it. The ad is a distortion, while Romney is running ads that are outright, verifiable lies. And yet he refuses to pull them.

Anyway, Andrea Saul, Romney spokeswoman, fell into the trap on Fox News, saying that "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care."

Like the would have, and will, under ObamaCare. But wait, Romney doesn't want that.

Romney is a terrible candidate. I don't think we've had a week yet where he or somebody on his team haven't come off looking like a complete mess.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to say "another", but I do agree that this ad is foundless and should be pulled.

Another honest person!!

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Consider, though, that that's what you reap when you sow "communist, socialist, fascist, Kenyan, blahblahblah". Also a pack of damned lies by damned liars.

Could you please supply us with an example of Romney saying any of those things or one of his ads saying them?

I also wonder if you objected to President Bush being called a fascist, dictator, and many horrible things?

If so...I applaud you. If not, then you're a hypocrite.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:26 PM
 
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That's nice. So you'll agree, I take it, that Romney did in fact run Bain in 1993, when it took over GST?

Yes, he was there when they bought it and it was quite profitable for quite some time.

He was long gone when their troubles hit them.

Obama also used taxpayer's money to buy GM and let it go bankrupt shortly thereafter.

I'm also sure you've heard of Solyndra?????
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