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I don't know if he realized that he was essentially debating the incumbent president. Even though they are both running as candidates, Obama IS the president right now. Romney showed him very little respect last night. I rewatched the debate(My so taped it since he missed it because of work) and there were a few moments where Romney was very disrespectful--the way he questioned Obama at one point, the way he talked to him personally in an offensive manner, and at one point the tone he took with Obama when he HIMSELF asked Obama to answer a question and when Obama tried to answer he cut in "That's not question, it's a a statement. I'm not done talking, you'll get you're turn to answer when I'm done"(not all his words basically a sum of what was said). At the end of the debate he wouldn't even shake Obama's hand. It's one thing to challenge a person during a debate, to challenge the president's record, it's a completely different to talk to the president in the way that Romney did. Truth be told, if the positions wer reversed and it was Romney that was the president, and Obama the challenger, if Obama took the same tone and said the same things, he would be labeled in "angry" black man, and it would be talked about by the right wing for YEARS. The truth of the matter, is that politics aside, this is an AMERICAN CITIZEN being disrespectful to his president. And it was disappointing, because though I'm not a Romney supporter, I am a human being and everyone is deserving with respect(Obama did not treat Romney the way Romney treated Obama).
Romney's behavior simply reinforces the notion that he doesn't believe he needs to play by the same rules as everyone else. He's shown this by getting away with paying a lower tax rate, lying constantly and flip-flopping throughout this campaign, the way he treats Obama, and the way he talks about other American citizens. It's arrogance, entitlement(I'm rich and I have power so I can do what I want) and it's sickening.
This post is not an attempt to get anyone to not vote Romney, or Vote Obama, etc, but really just a vent about how disappointing it was to see a man(a business man, a man that has served in government as well) being a disrespectful citizen. What's amusing is that as much as he may look down on Obama(which it is clear he does), because he doesn't like Obama's record, Mitt's record in Massachusetts is not good at all--Obama has not challenged him on it yet, but you should here what Massachusetts has to say about him. I just find it funny that tis all
Let's not be totaly absurd here. This whole diatribe is a , let's get Romney political hack job. To say "This post in not an attempt to get anyone to not vote Romney, or vote Obama" is ludicrous, if not absoutely ridiculous from the start.
Your biased democratic rant shows more emotion than fact. Your ad hock attacks ( not to mention all
those straw men & red herrings) come across more like some kid running to the teacher screaming "he
hit me" ,rather than adult commentary,
It was a debate. Neither man was respectuful. & Obama showed neither respect or class during the whole 90 minutes. Actually they both showed a lot of animosity and rude behaviour. If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself.
Obama has no record to run on, and, your slanted tirade shows that. 23 million unemployed, gas a 4.65
a gallon, GDP at 1.2 ????? The man has a SORRY record at best. How about "i'll cut the deficit in half
or , If it's not fixed i'll just be a 1 term president" routine ? Who's a flip-floper ? That's not even a start
on Obama's outright lies.
It took you less than 1 paragraph to inject race into your argument. That "angry black man" crap is growing a little thin at this point. He's 1/2 white according to his own statements, and yet, "racist"
seems to be the hue & cry of every democrat that opens his mouth. Is that the best you can come up with as an excuse for the past 4 years ?
The truth of the matter is this. You want respect ? You need to give respect. I don't give a damn what
your title is. You don't seem to have many facts so you just go for the ole ad homenium (I am human) attack. that's pathetic.
Truth is, we have two of the most pathetic Presidential candidates, yet so many people seem to be happy and satisfied with these poor choices.
The Republican logic is amazing; we know Romney is not really a Conservative, he is a Mormon, not a "real Christian" in our eyes but as long as he is not Obama, we will support him
I have a Republican friend who doesn't even like Romney but she is working for his campaign- like most of the morons out there who can't think beyond their partisan lines- I guess, as long as he is not Obama, he is good enough for us.
Unless there is a fundamental change in our society, we are headed downhill, FAST!
What I don't understand: so many people post how great Obama has done and how wonderful he will do in a second term. I am middle class with two kids. I have seen my utilities rise, my home value fall, my health insurance go up, my car insurance go up, no raise in almost two yrs, people laid off at my job, I cannot afford to drive my SUV because gas prices are so high, sketchy foreign policy, and now the Bush tax cuts may end come Jan 2013. I am just trying to find out where the folks that are pro Obama are seeing rainbows?
Glad to oblige. The economy was in FREEFALL when Obama took office. The ecomony is growing now, slowly but growing. And even conservative economists admit that the worst US recessions NECESSARILY have slow growth out of them, and this one was the 2nd worst in US history. Correcting an economy in freefall is doing a wonderful job. Saving the auto industry, which even Republican auto execs admit that the government action is what saved their companies- is doing a wondeful job.
Foreign policy was ending the war in Iraq, which never should have even begun. It was as well winding down the war in Afghanistan and making them moreso take responsiblity for their security. It was as well dismantling Al Qaeda, which has been done. Today many rag tag bandits like to do terror acts and call themselves Al Qaeda, but experts conclude that the ORGANIZED, well run Al Qaeda that Bin Laden and his lieutenants were heading up has been decimated. And, and this is probably THE most important thing, it was restoring good will from the rest of the world which Bush had after 9/11 but COMPLETELY SQUANDERED with the Iraq War. Those things are REAL accomplishments, thus are a wonderful job done.
Not only that but Pell Grants for college kids were EXPANDED under Obama, giving way more kids a chance to get a higher education and thus a better life. Economic data concludes that college graduates have a MUCH lower rate of unemployment right now than non-college grads, and math and science graduates an even lower rate than college grads in general. So education MATTERS in being able to stand a greater chance of having a job, even during tough times, and having higher pay on those jobs. Obama has done a wonderful job giving more kids a shot at that life.
He has also stood up to China's unfair trade practices WAY more than Bush did, has brought various legal cases against China and WON THEM ALL, forcing China to play by the rules in those cases or penalizing them and as a result saving the US jobs that would have been lost had China not been made to play fair. That is a wonderful job.
On the Bush tax cuts- Obama wanted a Congressional vote on the middle class Bush tax cuts AND the wealthy Bush tax cuts separately. If congress believed in both, let them vote on both individually. Republicans REFUSED. Why? They know that congress would pass the middle class cuts and reject the wealthy cuts, so they'd rather NOBODY got a cut than to let the middle class get one without the wealthy getting one too.
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And with Obamacare coming I don't see how our taxes will go down and what about premiums, co payments, referrals to specialists and who determines our fate if we have a major illness and require specialized medical care?
Your insurance company will do the same thing. There will be in-network and out of network physicians, referrals to specialists, and if your kid doesn't have a job right after college, he/she can stay on your insurance and doesn't have to worry that if they get injured, they will bankrupt the family paying for the medical bills of an uncovered person.
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Some people say that Romney is not pro woman's rights but in what way?
He would not support the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 which Obama signed into law which directly addressed inequality by saying that the 180 day statute of limitations on suing a company for unfair pay practices renews with each paycheck under which the pay was unfair. Previously, if you got paid unfairly (less than a man doing the same job) you only had 180 days after the INITIAL unfair paycheck to bring a lawsuit or else it was tossed out. Well, often women wouldn't KNOW they had been paid unfairly until after the 180 days was up, as not eveybody on a job knows everybody else's pay. So if you just found out after 2 years of unfair pay-too bad, no case. So it used to be where valid cases of unfair pay against women could not be prosecuted. Now women have 180 days from the most recent paycheck which was unfair. Obama signed it into law. Romney would not endorse the bill/law. That is BLATANTLY ANTI-women's rights.
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Will Romney keep the education, mortgage deduction etc for tax payers?
Nobody knows, because he REFUSES to say which deductions he will cut. But economists say if he's going to cut rates by the 20% he says AND find enough deductions to pay for it all, many of those kinds of deductions you mention will have to be cut because even if Romney cut EVERY deduction a rich person could possibly take, it's still not enough money to pay for the 20% $5 trillion dollar tax cut. Something has to give, either the cut itself, the deductions you mention, or the deficit/debt. That is why non-partisan economists have said that the numbers don't add up. Romney says none of those 3 will have to give. He is not being honest.
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I have spoken to a few seniors and early 50s people that still have the worries about the changes to MediCare.
For what it's worth, AARP (American Association for Retired People) is FOR Obamacare, and they are arguably THE strongest advocate for seniors. They have the resources and expertise to investigate and get to the heart of what they feel would be helpful or harmful for seniors. And they embrace and support Obamacare as being helpful for seniors. They want to stay out of the presidential race, so they take a neutral stance on who to vote for, (makes sense since they have both Reps and Dems in their fold) but they HAVE expressed support for the health care law itself as positive for seniors.
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Early 50's are worried that their coverages will be affected much more and are on the fence.
They should be worried with Romney/Ryan's plan. If you're 55 and below, they want to give you a voucher when you get to 65 to go out and buy health insurance. If that voucher doesn't cover the full cost of health insurance (which many experts say it WON'T keep up with the cost), then oh well, too bad for you- go take some personal responsibility and care for your lives. Obama wants to guarantee Medicare will pay the bills, not give you a voucher and leave you to the wiles of the private market and whatever costs it has. Again, those early 50s you spoke of probably either don't know that AARP supports Obamacare or for some reason aren't interested in what AARP says on the matter. Because if they ARE interested and DO know, then the question becomes why are they so worried about what AARP research has concluded is a good thing for seniors?
Odd but I saw Obama start with the rude disrespectful behavior.
Yes he is President. That means highest ranking civil servant. In other words he works for us and respect is a 2 way street.
Odd but I saw Obama start with the rude disrespectful behavior.
Yes he is President. That means highest ranking civil servant. In other words he works for us and respect is a 2 way street.
Can you be specific about what Obama said that was the start of rude and disrespectful behavior?
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