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Originally Posted by dog8food
Johnson has ZERO chance of winning. Cut it out with these Johnson posts.
It's my first post on Johnson. I never heard of him till I read the article. The US is not a democratic nation and the popular vote is not the final say.
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Read the text from the 12th Amendment
"The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
Therefore:
#1 With so many against both current candidates a third party candidate has a real chance of stopping Trump and Clinton from gaining a majority.
#2 Johnson does not appear to be way out of mainstream and would appeal to the current House.
#3 If the House remained deadlocked the VP picked by the Senate becomes POTUS
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You must agree this is a very strange election season with two very unpopular leading candidates. Now seems the best time for a third party candidate to win some electoral college votes.
"The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
Therefore:
#1 With so many against both current candidates a third party candidate has a real chance of stopping Trump and Clinton from gaining a majority.
#2 Johnson does not appear to be way out of mainstream and would appeal to the current House.
#3 If the House remained deadlocked the VP picked by the Senate becomes POTUS
The Libertarian Party is a small sliver of the political landscape. There are much more libertarians than those in the party, however they are in no way in contention to be taking the White House. This is a year to open up the world to that view, 2020 is the year to watch, 2016 is just a building block.
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Originally Posted by mkpunk
Johnson winning enough states for 100 electoral votes is a pipe dream. Johnson walking into the White House is laughable. He can maybe win one like say an Arizona but that is it. He'll chip away mostly Republican votes and maybe a few fringe Democratic votes but not enough to win enough states to be in play. He'll get the highest Libertarian turnout and share but that's it.
I don't know where you get the number 100.
All Johnson needs to do in this hypothetical situation is block Trump/Clinton from a majority.
Technically, he need not "win" a single electoral college vote.
Some electoral voters may decide to not vote for Trump/Clinton and could logically decide to vote for a third party candidate .
There have been 157 instances of faithlessness as of 2015. So far, faithless electors have not yet changed the outcome of any presidential election. If Trump and Hillary are close in the polls it may only take a few votes to force the election into the House for resolution.
So what if they face party censure? In the case of the GOP the faithless elector might actually get praised for saving the country from Trump.
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Faithless electors have tried in the distant past to change the electoral process.
In 1836 , twenty-three faithless electors prevented Richard Johnson , the expected candidate, from winning the majority of votes for the Vice Presidency . However, Johnson was promptly elected Vice President by the U.S. Senate in February 1837.
Of course this is ludicrous, however expect the press to be spinning these same lines the closer we get to the final election.
"The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
Therefore:
#1 With so many against both current candidates a third party candidate has a real chance of stopping Trump and Clinton from gaining a majority.
#2 Johnson does not appear to be way out of mainstream and would appeal to the current House.
#3 If the House remained deadlocked the VP picked by the Senate becomes POTUS
Fine, I will play this game. Why in the world the House would pick Gary Johnson over Mr. Trump, Ryan or any other Republican . . . . . or Sanders or a Democrat for that matter? Why?
Mick
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