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Old 05-09-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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One terrible team. Hillary Clinton. She had all the rules rigged for her, celebrity status, MSM gushing, and full backing by unlimited amounts of Wall Street/Donor Class money. Yet she hasn't managed to take this thing home.

On the other hand, Trump has won the nomination. This despite having 16 competitors, rules used against him, the MSM attacking him every day, the GOP establishment against him, and paid agitators sent to his rallies to intimidate his supporters. Yet he won it hands down. i.e. This is a definition of a great team.

Quite honestly, I'll defend Trump sometimes because I think people over react to him, but I'm sticking with my position that its more than one bad team, its 3 to be honest.
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Yet.......

She still hasn't managed to beat a 75 year old hippy socialist with one arm tied behind his back. She isn't even getting the vote that she had in 2008

No doubt one of the worst performances of any Democrat candidate for nomination in the past 25 years. Even Walter Mondale did better and he lost 49 states.

This speaks to the reality of the situation.
You know, it really doesn't matter how many times you repeat this, it doesn't make it true. Bernie's decision not to concede at this time doesn't mean that he hasn't been thoroughly bested by a more than 3 million vote margin, which is 57 to 43. The democratic primary is over, Bernie is just trying to stay relevant and keep the money rolling in.

And no, Mondale didn't do better, given he only had 38%.
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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But what if Gary Johnson won a couple of states, like his home state of New Mexico and some other place like Nevada or Alaska and denied Hillary and Trump 270 electoral votes, and threw the presidential selection to the House, and the VP selection to the Senate (which is the specified procedure of the 12th Amendment)?
Why would Johnson carry New Mexico? He didn't carry it in 2012 - in his home state he got a whopping 3.6% of the vote. Sure, he can probably get somewhat more this time around because some disaffected Republicans will vote Johnson instead. But New Mexico is a solidly blue state. 53% of the vote there went for Obama in 2012. The idea that Hispanics (who make up half the population of the state) are suddenly going to become Libertarians is inane. I'd call it wishful thinking, but it's an idea way too absurd to be treated so kindly.

Nevada? Again, Obama twice topped 50% of the vote there, with Gary Johnson getting all of 1.1% of the vote there in 2012. On what planet is he suddenly going to carry the state?

Alaska? Sorry, if Trump is doing so bad that he can't take Alaska from a Libertarian, then Clinton is already above 450 Electoral College votes.

But hey, that's just reality. Please, carry on! I am absolutely loving both the Republican awakening to the fact that they've punted away the Presidency for another four years, as well as the quadrennial Libertarian fantasy that "This is finally our year!".

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Old 05-09-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't know where you get the number 100.

All Johnson needs to do in this hypothetical situation is block Trump/Clinton from a majority.

Technically, he need not "win" a single electoral college vote.

Some electoral voters may decide to not vote for Trump/Clinton and could logically decide to vote for a third party candidate .

There have been 157 instances of faithlessness as of 2015. So far, faithless electors have not yet changed the outcome of any presidential election. If Trump and Hillary are close in the polls it may only take a few votes to force the election into the House for resolution.

So what if they face party censure? In the case of the GOP the faithless elector might actually get praised for saving the country from Trump.
Johnson wouldn't get many congressional votes at all if it defers to the Senate. You are living in a dream if you think that is true.
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Its like watching two terrible teams play each other in a sport. Sometimes nobody actually wins, but the other team just figures out a way to lose.
Couldn't agree more. Too soon to rep you again.
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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We are talking about action and reaction.

Suppose:

#1 A very unpopular man wins the GOP primary.

#2 GOP leaders and past GOP presidents boycott the GOP convention.

#3 At the GOP convention there is a nasty floor fight and many refuse to endorse.

#4 GOP Senators fear a tremendous fallout and they will lose control of Senate.



Then given:

A very unpopular Democratic primary winner still loses States like Indiana, and goes on to lose California.

Most voters now say they are independents.

Nearly unlimited funds are quickly available to a third party candidate.

There is plenty of time for voters to learn about a new candidate and that candidate to gain endorsements.



The stage is set:

If not Johnson, do you not agree there is someone that could step forward to win a few states?

What if Johnson and Sanders teamed up?
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Old 05-09-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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We are talking about action and reaction.

Suppose:

#1 A very unpopular man wins the GOP primary.

#2 GOP leaders and past GOP presidents boycott the GOP convention.

#3 At the GOP convention there is a nasty floor fight and many refuse to endorse.

#4 GOP Senators fear a tremendous fallout and they will lose control of Senate.



Then given:

A very unpopular Democratic primary winner still loses States like Indiana, and goes on to lose California.

Most voters now say they are independents.

Nearly unlimited funds are quickly available to a third party candidate.

There is plenty of time for voters to learn about a new candidate and that candidate to gain endorsements.



The stage is set:

If not Johnson, do you not agree there is someone that could step forward to win a few states?

What if Johnson and Sanders teamed up?
The Johnson platform would have to get far wider appeal than it ever got. Maybe bring say a Jesse Ventura or someone with a bit more name value on.

I think it is laughable that Sanders could work with Johnson or Sanders voters would become Trump voters.
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Old 05-09-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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This thread is proof that social norming has a stranglehold on the American majority.

Last edited by NewGuy2016; 05-09-2016 at 02:32 PM..
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Old 05-09-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Yet.......

She still hasn't managed to beat a 75 year old hippy socialist with one arm tied behind his back. She isn't even getting the vote that she had in 2008

No doubt one of the worst performances of any Democrat candidate for nomination in the past 25 years. Even Walter Mondale did better and he lost 49 states.

This speaks to the reality of the situation.
The Buffoonanator is NOT Bernie Sanders. For starters, Sanders can actually speak in coherent sentences.
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Old 05-09-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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We are talking about action and reaction.

Suppose:

#1 A very unpopular man wins the GOP primary.

#2 GOP leaders and past GOP presidents boycott the GOP convention.

#3 At the GOP convention there is a nasty floor fight and many refuse to endorse.

#4 GOP Senators fear a tremendous fallout and they will lose control of Senate.



Then given:

A very unpopular Democratic primary winner still loses States like Indiana, and goes on to lose California.

Most voters now say they are independents.

Nearly unlimited funds are quickly available to a third party candidate.

There is plenty of time for voters to learn about a new candidate and that candidate to gain endorsements.



The stage is set:

If not Johnson, do you not agree there is someone that could step forward to win a few states?

What if Johnson and Sanders teamed up?
It all sounds nice and I do wish I could see a pathway to victory for Gary Johnson. It will take a massive campaign effort to get Johnson enough notice to play spoiler in this election.

He and Sanders are too drastically opposite politically. Sanders wants the government to pay for everything under the sun. Johnson wants the government to pay for as close to nothing as humanly possible. Might as well suggest that Trump and Hillary run on the same ticket.
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