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View Poll Results: Voting for Beto or Cruz?
Beto 67 41.61%
Cruz 89 55.28%
Neither-waiting for magical unicorn to run 5 3.11%
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Old 10-31-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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My thoughts on that are that there is a certain dollar allotment per student through taxpayer dollars. Why shouldn't parents have a choice on where that allocation goes? It doesn't matter to me whether it's a Parochial school or a Public School. They should have the choice to send their child to a school where they feel their children will have the best chance on getting a good education. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. The public schools were terrible growing up in my neck of the woods (ranking of 47th in the country). Any parent would have sent their kids to a Parochial school, given the opportunity. The end result of that would be either the Public schools stepped up their education level or get left behind (something Teacher's Union simply won't admit). I want good teachers to be paid well and I want bad teachers to be fired. Unfortunately, these bad teachers tend to be shielded and left in the system bringing down the level of education in Public schools. I've had enough of it and the spin that goes with it from Teachers Unions (and I've heard plenty of excuses over the years). When a system isn't working, you don't throw money at the problem...you solve the problem. I believe the problem are Teachers Unions that have gotten much too powerful and aren't interested in results as much as they are just protecting their members. That's not going to cut it.
Why should I be compelled to pay 6000 a year in school taxes to support a religious school I do not agree with?

We already have charter schools in churches run on tax money.

There are no teacher's unions in Texas.

 
Old 10-31-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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Texas? Just be careful with your vote. Apparently the machines are switching votes from O'Rourke to Cruz at the top of the ticket when someone votes straight-ticket Dem. And nobody can say--figures--Florida. So--it figures--Texas.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...m-for-a-decade

https://www.fastcompany.com/90259255...out-bad-design
The deal on the machines was reported the very first day of early voting ...... by irate Republicans.

Turns out that when ANYONE attempts to vote a straight ticket (R or D) and then doesn't allow the machine time to process the request .... it's goes wonky. The Election Judges are instructed to warn people who vote a straight ticket to wait a few minutes before they attempt to confirm their votes.

The Basic Truth here is that all Polling Places should be using the optical scanners that are the safest and most accurate voting machines. One of the reasons I never do early voting is because in my County - they use the computers ONLY for early voting. I prefer the scanners.

Perhaps you should go back to the RUSSIA-RUSSIA-RUSSIA ... when Beto loses.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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I'm not comparing them in that way. What I am saying is that both have a quality that transcends their relative lack of qualifications or experience or even suitability for the position. It's that "it" and it is that "it" that matters in politics today - especially with the younger voters who, should they become engaged, will sweep whomever they want into office.

I had never seen or heard Beto until yesterday when I watched him at the University of Houston on Chris Matthews show yesterday. You are underestimating him. He is charismatic, magnetic and clicks with an audience. He is up to his eyeballs in tech. He even speaks fluent Spanish! Matthews, an aging poll from another generation, was all but drooling over him.

Stop looking at this from a Republican, older voter point of view. This guy is political dynamite in the same way as Obama was. Mark my words. He may be too raw for 2020 and the old goats of the party won't give it up. But waiting until 2028 (presuming Trump gets thrashed in '20 as I think he will and Dem wins twice) would probably doom his chances as the pendulum swings back. IT might be better for him if Trump pulls it out in 2020. He'd be teed up for 2024 and the old guard would be gone. In any case, I think he will make a move.
That was just so cute! Chris Matthews and MSNBC doing an Event FOR Beto --
MSNBC doesn't even attempt to hide that they are a Campaign Arm of the Democratic Party.
Oddly enough -- I always thought there were FEC rules about that.

Chris Matthews Holds Event With Beto O'Rourke: "We Need A Senator" Who Can Stand Up To Trump |Real Clear Politics

Chris Matthews holds a college tour event with Texas Democratic Senate nominee Beto O'Rourke.

"We need a senator who can get through to the president or stand up to him, if that's the only way to get this done, to make sure that we protect the livelihood and the resources that we have here in this state, not to mention some of that really hateful rhetoric that we -- that we started out with," Matthews declared.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 01:15 PM
 
Location: In Miami but, Inside the Resistance !!
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I have a bully neighbor that swears by the Tweeter Swine. I ran into him at the local watering hole last Friday Nite for the Hurricanes Game and left him pale in front of the table, and most of the table went to my side and applauded...He thinks POTUS has it made and Not a thing is wrong with him, but he got up and left ashamed after screaming like a girl and I made him HUSH !!!!

What a disgrace, and we are dividing the Country ???? When they refused the presence of Potus in Pa, the Story is the other way around 100%..
 
Old 10-31-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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I have a bully neighbor that swears by the Tweeter Swine. I ran into him at the local watering hole last Friday Nite for the Hurricanes Game and left him pale in front of the table, and most of the table went to my side and applauded...He thinks POTUS has it made and Not a thing is wrong with him, but he got up and left ashamed after screaming like a girl and I made him HUSH !!!!

What a disgrace, and we are dividing the Country ???? When they refused the presence of Potus in Pa, the Story is the other way around 100%..



Actually, Trump was welcomed by many in Pa., you just don't hear about it.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
I'm not comparing them in that way. What I am saying is that both have a quality that transcends their relative lack of qualifications or experience or even suitability for the position. It's that "it" and it is that "it" that matters in politics today - especially with the younger voters who, should they become engaged, will sweep whomever they want into office.

I had never seen or heard Beto until yesterday when I watched him at the University of Houston on Chris Matthews show yesterday. You are underestimating him. He is charismatic, magnetic and clicks with an audience. He is up to his eyeballs in tech. He even speaks fluent Spanish! Matthews, an aging poll from another generation, was all but drooling over him.

Stop looking at this from a Republican, older voter point of view. This guy is political dynamite in the same way as Obama was. Mark my words. He may be too raw for 2020 and the old goats of the party won't give it up. But waiting until 2028 (presuming Trump gets thrashed in '20 as I think he will and Dem wins twice) would probably doom his chances as the pendulum swings back. IT might be better for him if Trump pulls it out in 2020. He'd be teed up for 2024 and the old guard would be gone. In any case, I think he will make a move.
Only time will tell and I just don't see him as a presidentual candidate but he may eventually develop some skills. He certainly can not be compared to Obama in any way, For one thing, Obama was black and let's face it, this helped him a lot. He also had a certain charm that Beto doesn't seem to have.

As for Trump, I, for one, would love to see him not run. I do not think he will get trashed in 2020, but I do think he has done all he can do and at his age, it is best for him to step aside. I don't think he ever really expected to be president in the first place.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Beto by a landslide. No use to vote, stay home. He's got it in the bag.
Rakin, you are speaking tongue in cheek I hope!!!!!
 
Old 10-31-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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My main issues with Beto would be the Border issues, his announcement that he is in favor of Impeaching the President of the United States and his allegiance to both BIG MONEY and the Leftist Agenda. His background is a horror and I'm not talking about his drunk driving, leaving the scene of an accident that could have killed everyone in the other vehicle -- I'm talking about his attempt to use Eminent Domain to take a part of the El Paso Segundo Barrio (most historic Barrio in the USA) for a Development Project headed by his Billionaire Father-in-Law. Beto was the elected City Councilman for this Barrio. It was big news in 2006 -- even the Left Wing News Media in Texas (Texas Observer) did articles about it - as did Texas Monthly. I consider that sort of this Corruption - GAIN using Political Power and it was a really dirty trick. On the up side -- it was exposed and not much of it ever happened, a lot of that was that Texas passed a Constitutional Amendment on Eminent Domain in 2009.

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If using eminent domain to take away property for personal use is a bad thing, then you did not vote for GWB because he was given part of a baseball team in oder for the owners to get land for the stadium. Including an old woman's house for the parking lot? How about voting against Trump for also using eminent domain for his casino parking lot? How about that Canadian pipeline that took farmland in Liberty County for sludge going to a refinery and then on to China. The USA got no benefit from the oil.How about all that land taken for the shut down super collider? When it failed, they couldn't give the ruined land away.

How about what that pipeline and others like it did to the NA. And you think Republicans will not use any tool in the box to get what they want? LOL
That's an Impressive List (although not accurate) of WhatAbout'isms.
As a General Rule - the WHAT ABOUT!!! tends to show "darn, I can't refute what you posted" - so WhatAbout!
You don't actually know much about sports teams, sports complexes and how they are both built and funded or about pipeline infrastructure or power line infrastructure
On the UP side -- I do! Short answer to all your WhatAbout!!! is "public good" vs Private Gain.
Sports complexes (which Mr Bush did not own) and parking lots/pipelines are infrastruction and public good. Beto's and his Daddy-in-Law Billionaire were going to wipe out a Historic Neighborhood for Private Gain. There is a big difference in those things for Normal People.

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Why should I be compelled to pay 6000 a year in school taxes to support a religious school I do not agree with?

We already have charter schools in churches run on tax money.

There are no teacher's unions in Texas.
Why do people believe this "no unions in Texas"??
That's not my question -- that is the question of the AFT

No, unions are not ‘illegal’ in Texas And yes, we’re a union |Texas AFT - a Union of Professionals

Invariably, someone responds to one of my Facebook posts — where I oft use the word “union” to describe Texas AFT — with a vehement objection. “There are no unions in Texas!” or “Unions are illegal in Texas!” Or they often have the qualifier of “teacher,” as in “Teacher unions aren’t allowed in Texas.”

Some of these objections are just based on not understanding the laws of Texas. Yes, unions are legal here in the Lone Star State, and we have plenty of them in the private sector, and many bargain collectively for employment contracts. Yes, it’s also true that Texas is a “right-to-work” state, meaning it is illegal to make union membership compulsory for employment.

We are the only organization representing school employees that actively is seeking the right to collective bargaining in Texas for our members and other public employee unions.

So what are the other teacher unions in Texas? Just one other group holds the traits outlined above — the Texas State Teachers Association, which is affiliated with the National Education Association. And it embraces the union label. (Although not quite as much as Texas AFT!) In fact, we have three “merged unions” with TSTA, meaning these three local unions are affiliated with both of Texas AFT/AFT and TSTA/NEA: Education Austin, The San Antonio Alliance, and Education Round Rock.


Now we can move on to the "Why should I be compelled to pay 6000 a year in school taxes"
That's some pretty serious hyperbole on the amount of local taxes you pay just for school districts It might well be possible IF you have a Mansion in River Oaks or in Highland Park - but it doesn't matter if you pay $10,000 in local school taxes because not a single penny of it goes to ANY Charter School

Charter Schools DO NOT receive ANY Local School Tax funding .... how about that!

Charter schools receive state funds based on the average daily attendance of students (same as traditional public schools). However, they do not receive funds from local tax revenue and the majority, including Texas charters, do not receive state facilities funding. A recent independent analysis of revenue differences between charter school districts and independent school districts reveals a persistent funding gap exists. Texas Charter Schools Association

I know you will find this shocking -- but NO - Texas Charters are not allowed a Religious Affiliation - NO Church Charter Schools, that you don't pay for anyway. That happens to be Texas Law.

The types of entities eligible to hold a Texas open-enrollment charter are as follows:

Institutions of higher education;
Private or independent institutions of higher education;
Tax-exempt organizations classified as 501(c)(3)’s under the Internal Revenue Code; and
Governmental entities.
Churches and other faith-based organizations are not eligible to apply for a charter.


So -- a reasonable person might want to know HOW are Charter Schools in Texas funded if they can't charge Tuition and are not eligible for Local School Taxes. Part of the money comes from Private Grants and from Federal Grants -- but the biggest portion is the same as the biggest portion for all the School Districts in Texas ..... Texas has a Permanent School Fund - the largest in the USA. The Law for this Permanent School Fund was passed in 1867 and it covers Local School Districts AND the Texas State Universities and Colleges.

The Money comes from the very thing that Leftists hate the most ...... OIL/GAS It's a LOT of money.
Large Urban areas are able to collect substantial School Taxes - that is not the case with the majority of Texas small towns and rural areas .... people may have notices -- lot's of rural area in Texas.
Texas did not give all its Land to the Federal Government when we joined the Union (either time) - There is a LOT of public and State owned Land in Texas and there is OIL/GAS on most of it.

Not to mention that Texas also kept 10.34 Off-Shore Miles in the Gulf of Mexico (most, if not all States only have 5 miles) .... the Gulf of Mexico is a HUGE Oil/Gas Reserve. We get Royalties, Leases, Fees and it's in the Billions. It goes to the Permanent Texas School Fund.

Newbys to Texas might find all that interesting. Texas also has it's own Power Grid that is not connected to the rest of the USA (except some one way connections to sell power) - We Control that Grid.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Only time will tell and I just don't see him as a presidentual candidate but he may eventually develop some skills. He certainly can not be compared to Obama in any way, For one thing, Obama was black and let's face it, this helped him a lot. He also had a certain charm that Beto doesn't seem to have.

As for Trump, I, for one, would love to see him not run. I do not think he will get trashed in 2020, but I do think he has done all he can do and at his age, it is best for him to step aside. I don't think he ever really expected to be president in the first place.
Beto proved to be a great fundraiser and that matters a good deal. Maybe it is everything these days. That said, I think the next president of the US could very likely be a woman. Trump has really awoken them to political action and engagement. It's going to be hard to fight that trend. Steve Bannon said several months ago that women will "take charge" of society in America and he could be right.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Only time will tell and I just don't see him as a presidentual candidate but he may eventually develop some skills. He certainly can not be compared to Obama in any way, For one thing, Obama was black and let's face it, this helped him a lot. He also had a certain charm that Beto doesn't seem to have.

As for Trump, I, for one, would love to see him not run. I do not think he will get trashed in 2020, but I do think he has done all he can do and at his age, it is best for him to step aside. I don't think he ever really expected to be president in the first place.
I would agree that he "has done all he could do" with an obstructive Congress (both Democrat & Republican) - despite all that, he has accomplished a LOT and he has a LOT more planned. "At his age?" he is on the go all the time. Constant meetings in the White House with "normal people groups" - Like the Young Black Leaders last week, the Harley Davidson people, Unions, Steel Workers, Round Tables with everyone - you name it and they get an invite. (as opposed to weekly concerts with the Hollywood Crowd).

What more "TRASH" can they really do?? He doesn't quit, they can't scare him off and most of what they do backfires on them. With a Republican House and a stronger Senate -- we can finally get the Immigration reforms/new laws we need and probably health care also.
Something that works in today's world -- I've always said that ONLY a GOP President can do Immigration Laws because they Leftists don't want them -- they want the STICK to beat Republicans with in a Get Out the Vote effort. Don't get me wrong -- Republicans don't want Immigration Law either, BUT Donald Trump can force them into it and his core base will back him up. He will explain it to them and the "explain it" part is what has really been missing on both sides. It has to be broken up into pieces that work together - Legally, Socially and Economically.

Just watching his Rallys exhausts me - he has monthly Cabinet meetings, most of his Cabinet people say they talk to him daily, sometimes several times a day. His kids say he exhausts them and that he is always full of energy. I don't think he will quit, I do think he will run in 2020 and even some of the Democrat Analysts say they don't see anyone on the Horizon that could beat him.
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