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Originally Posted by danielj72
People still had a brain in 1984. People actually still loved America in 1984. In 1984 the Soviets were actually still considered the bad guys NOT a model for us to follow.
I'm honestly getting sick and tired of this only right wingers love America and the rest of us are traitors tact. It's older than Noah's Arc and simply not true.
This isn't Piochet's Chile. We are legally allowed to disagree with or hate our president. And it doesn't mean we don't love our country. I love this country (well, except for the South); but I don't like our president.
Reagan was on record as being sympathetic to segregationists in the southern states, and calling the Civil Rights Act a violation of states rights.....
So was:
Robert Byrd.
William Fulbright.
Herman Talmadge.
Albert Gore, Sr.
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person
So was:
Robert Byrd.
William Fulbright.
Herman Talmadge. Albert Gore, Sr.
That one is an outright lie. There is plenty of documented evidence, including senate votes, that both Al Gore Sr and the other Tennessee senator at the time Estes Kefauver, were not on the segregationists side. Try again....
That one is an outright lie. There is plenty of documented evidence, including senate votes, that both Al Gore Sr and the other Tennessee senator at the time Estes Kefauver, were not on the segregationists side. Try again....
I guess voting against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and also filibustering against it is actually being for it before being against it in Camaro1220's world.
I guess voting against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and also filibustering against it is actually being for it before being against it in Camaro1220's world.
Al Gore Sr did vote against the CRA, but that's not the whole story. First, it was unpopular in Tennessee and he was up for reelection in 64. Second he went on record after he was out of the Senate saying he regretted voting against it.
But more importantly, Al Gore Sr was one of only three southern Senators to not sign the Southern Manifesto in support of continued segregation in 1956, the other two being Estes Kefauver and Lyndon B Johnson.
Your cherry picked vote doesn't tell the whole story and doesn't stand up to further examination of his record.
And back to Robert Byrd, he spent decades publicly apologizing for his past. But I forgot, nobody can change, right? Once bad, always bad?
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"How did he do it?"
Jimmy Carter. Worst president ever until Obongo.
Obongo huh? And if you think Carter and Obama are the worst presidents ever, I'm guessing you failed history class in school. Do the names Buchanan, Harding and Hoover ring a bell?
He won 49 states because:
1) he was very popular
2) Walter Mondale was his opponent
Even though I find his policies a mixed bag, Reagan had charisma, positivity, and the ability to take responsibility. People were willing to take the fall for him on the Iran contra deal, but Reagan stepped up and took the blame in a televised speech. I can't even begin to imagine a president doing that now.
1) and 2) says it all ....it helped that Mondale was a pretty weak opponent.
What does it say about modern times, or perhaps about myself, that I can only read "governor of California" in Arnold's accent? And he hasn't been governor for 8 years!
Who remembers when Ronald Reagan won 49 states (all except Minnesota, Mondale’s Home State) in 1984 against Walter Mondale? Many of those states are now solidly Democratic, and have been for a long time. How did he do it?
They were then as well, but he was obviously very popular, he was attempting to end the cold war, the economy was doing well and Mondale was not at all popular and had no personality. And btw, if you remember the elections back then, you will remember most of the south was solid Democrat. So what was and what is are 2 totally different things.
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