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Old 01-21-2019, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Those of you who were not adults during the Carter years have no clue about how bad it was.
You could only buy gas on certain days, you had to wait hours to get that gas on "your designated day".
Interest rates for home loans averaged 16-18% with a mandatory 20% down. Car loans were similar.

Prices on everything went through the roof ..... it was a misery.
ALL of that started with Nixon. The first bout of gas lines was in 1973 after the Arab Oil Embargo. The next one was in 1979 after the Iranian revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_oil_crisis

And two of Carter's years were two of the most booming years of the 20th Century.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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So in the 21st Century America should continue to maintain public monuments to individuals who were actually willing to rip the United States apart and go to war...a war that killed nearly eight hundred thousand of the thirty odd million Americans living at the time...and severely wounded hundreds if thousands more...in order to preserve a slavery and racism based economy and society? And you are viewing their behavior in 1861 as an example for us to follow today?
And we do not hate our Founding Fathers...among whom were the leading liberals of the day, btw, the conservatives were the third of Americans who were Tories...because they were white...do you seriously believe that!? We do criticize them for implementing a society based on racism and slavery. Do you dispute that it was wrong of them to do that? They were not living deities.
We do not hate Christianity. There are millions and millions of left leaning Christians in America. Don't see how you cpuld not be cognizant of that fact, unless your definition of a Christian is limited to your sect.
And no, supporting the separation of church and state does not make one anti-Christian.
Next time you see a confederate symbol or monument (or even a yankee monument) I would like you to think about where the radical left is taking the country. I know a lot of conservatives are supportive of fighting if push comes to shove. We recognize the threat the far left is to freedom and our way of life. Eventually when we all realize the true nature of the treat we will fight. You will never implement the radical agenda (which automatically would be unconstitutional) without facing the prospect of civil war.

When you look at those old civil war monuments ask yourself this...will there soon be new monuments to the coming second civil war? Do you really want that? That may be the cost you pay for forcing radical Chang on America. How many deaths are acceptable for the implementation of socialism and “social justice “? Are you ok if 500,000 die for socialism? 1 million? Is it worth it?

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Old 01-21-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Who remembers when Ronald Reagan won 49 states (all except Minnesota, Mondale’s Home State) in 1984 against Walter Mondale? Many of those states are now solidly Democratic, and have been for a long time. How did he do it?
I proudly voted for Reagan as I'd turned 18 that summer of that year right after graduating high school.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Who remembers when Ronald Reagan won 49 states (all except Minnesota, Mondale’s Home State) in 1984 against Walter Mondale? Many of those states are now solidly Democratic, and have been for a long time. How did he do it?
He knew Thomas Jefferson, but age was not an issue in the campaign.

Soviet jokes are still funny even to this day, and they are probably his greatest achievement.

He was likable.

He played political theater from both sides of the stage.


Economy was coming out of the doldrums and credible tax reform was in the air.


Stop thinking in terms of partisan politics, it clouds judgment and understanding.

And it certainly is not a money maker unless you receive a pay check from one, or both, of the organizations and/or their parent corporation(s).

Good Luck!
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:47 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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He knew Thomas Jefferson, but
age was not an issue in the campaign.


Soviet jokes are still funny even to this day, and they are probably his greatest achievement.

He was likable.

He played political theater from both sides of the stage.


Economy was coming out of the doldrums and credible tax reform was in the air.


Stop thinking in terms of partisan politics, it clouds judgment and understanding.

And it certainly is not a money maker unless you receive a pay check from one, or both, of the organizations and/or their parent corporation(s).

Good Luck!
The links in this post answer the OP question better than any other. The age question and answer was the most memorable moment of the campaign and those of us who watched it live will never forget it.

Mondale was a good sport, laughing as we all did. But he knew full well he was fighting well above his weight class.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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Because it was 1984 and not 1988. It was still essentially the "honeymoon" phase of the Reagan days. His smiles and grandfatherly appeal were still in full swing for 1984.

All his worst moves and mistakes happened in his second term. A very different Reagan - and high visibility of his cronies - came to the surface then.
Ronald Reagan's Lowest Approval Rating was in January of 1983 -- one year before he won 49 States.

How did Reagan win 49 States in the 1984 Election?
Not very "honeymoon" when your Approval Rating in 1983 is 35%.

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Old 01-22-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Boston
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how bout 18% mortgages and 2 hour lines to buy gas

that's how he got elected, I remember it well
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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ALL of that started with Nixon. The first bout of gas lines was in 1973 after the Arab Oil Embargo. The next one was in 1979 after the Iranian revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_oil_crisis

And two of Carter's years were two of the most booming years of the 20th Century.
I was there and remember both quite well. The oil embargo in 1973 was retaliation for supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur War - it lasted 6 months and was considered a failure (according to your own LINK) -- there were NO gasoline lines, but prices did rise. The embargo also goosed up US Oil production.

The average price of a gallon of gasoline in May 1973 was 38.5 cents a gallons. By June 1974, it had risen to 55 cents. I can tell you that 38 cents a gallon was considered very high - just a few years earlier than that .... I was paying 17 cents a gallon. Gas lines were not due to Federally mandated supply (like under Carter) but more in areas that didn't have refinery capacity or good. management and then the Democrats added all sorts of "regulation". It caused a Panic - aided by the Press that told us daily that the USA (and world) was running out of Oil. It is ALWAYS Democrats and the Leftists that push these Armageddon Horror stories. Carter constantly preached the "morality" against using Fossil Fuels .... some things never change.

America’s Never-Ending Oil Consumption |The Atlantic

Here we are nearly 50 years later. We didn't "run out of oil" - in fact the USA has become a World Leader in Oil and Natural Gas. We didn't have the predicted ICE AGE, the Media hyped - it morphed into "Global Warming" and a Money Maker for the "Climate Industry". The USA is also a Leader in the reduction of emissions, but the "morality" Leftists will never admit that. It's always about the MONEY.

Jimmy Carter was not a "bad man", he was a poor President -- he just wasn't up for the job.
The Election of Ronald Regan in 1980 was a response to that - his re-election in 1984 was because he did what his slogan said - "Make America Great Again". That slogan belonged to Reagan before Donald Trump adopted it. The Leftists have never recovered from what a good job Ronald Reagan did, which is why Obama constantly talked about it and wanted a "Legacy" like Reagan.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I was there and remember both quite well. The oil embargo in 1973 was retaliation for supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur War - it lasted 6 months and was considered a failure (according to your own LINK) -- there were NO gasoline lines, but prices did rise. The embargo also goosed up US Oil production.

The average price of a gallon of gasoline in May 1973 was 38.5 cents a gallons. By June 1974, it had risen to 55 cents. I can tell you that 38 cents a gallon was considered very high - just a few years earlier than that .... I was paying 17 cents a gallon. Gas lines were not due to Federally mandated supply (like under Carter) but more in areas that didn't have refinery capacity or good. management and then the Democrats added all sorts of "regulation". It caused a Panic - aided by the Press that told us daily that the USA (and world) was running out of Oil. It is ALWAYS Democrats and the Leftists that push these Armageddon Horror stories. Carter constantly preached the "morality" against using Fossil Fuels .... some things never change.

America’s Never-Ending Oil Consumption |The Atlantic

Here we are nearly 50 years later. We didn't "run out of oil" - in fact the USA has become a World Leader in Oil and Natural Gas. We didn't have the predicted ICE AGE, the Media hyped - it morphed into "Global Warming" and a Money Maker for the "Climate Industry". The USA is also a Leader in the reduction of emissions, but the "morality" Leftists will never admit that. It's always about the MONEY.

Jimmy Carter was not a "bad man", he was a poor President -- he just wasn't up for the job.
The Election of Ronald Regan in 1980 was a response to that - his re-election in 1984 was because he did what his slogan said - "Make America Great Again". That slogan belonged to Reagan before Donald Trump adopted it. The Leftists have never recovered from what a good job Ronald Reagan did, which is why Obama constantly talked about it and wanted a "Legacy" like Reagan.
You bet there were gas lines....going for blocks here in the Bay Area. If the station even had any gas, that is. Many closed very early in the day. If you didn't have gas lines and severe rationing in your neck of the woods, you were very fortunate and were the exception, not the rule. With huge Arab production cuts, there was no where near enough supply to meet normal demand.
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Yes, there were plenty of gas lines in 1973. And yes, I was a kid then (9 years old, to be precise) and I remember both that and the 1979 lines.
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