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Well, yes indeed the Austrians are about equally distant from the southern French/Spaniards/Portuguese as are the British Islanders. The difference lays in where, the Austrians are more "eastern" closer to the Eastern German/Hungarian/Croatian groups while the Irish are more "northwestern", with the following continental Europeans closest to them, the North Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, North German groups. The Irish are actually closer to the North German group than Austrians.
I have also noticed that the Belgians are closer to the Austrians using some autosomal calculators that I would have expected but I haven't look into it in great detail yet. There is a Burgundian and Flemish connection to Portugal the first King of Portugal Afonso Henriques his father was from the House of Burgundy once Portugal split from Galicia the nation immediately began expanding south and started taking territory from the Muslims, the conquered territory was partially settled by Burgundians and Flemings there are so many layers of migration to Portugal that it is impossible to distinguish which wave the shared DNA is from. In my case a received a second dose from a Flemish migration 350 years later in the 1400's.
I have also noticed that the Belgians are closer to the Austrians using some autosomal calculators that I would have expected but I haven't look into it in great detail yet. There is a Burgundian and Flemish connection to Portugal the first King of Portugal Afonso Henriques his father was from the House of Burgundy once Portugal split from Galicia the nation immediately began expanding south and started taking territory from the Muslims, the conquered territory was partially settled by Burgundians and Flemings there are so many layers of migration to Portugal that it is impossible to distinguish which wave the shared DNA is from. In my case a received a second dose from a Flemish migration 350 years later in the 1400's.
True, I once heard about there small Flemish groups migrated to the Portuguese lands. Well they intermingled with the much larger Portuguese populace, but a higher frequency of blonde-headed, blue-eyed people among those with traceable Flemish descent showed the difference. I am only 1/16th Flemish, most of my ancestry is Dutch and English.
Irish and Basques have more in common than Irish and Germans, also Spanish and Portuguese generally have more in common with the British and Irish than Germans or Scandinavians, sorry for your racial dreams on descending from the vikings.
Irish and Basques have more in common than Irish and Germans, also Spanish and Portuguese generally have more in common with the British and Irish than Germans or Scandinavians, sorry for your racial dreams on descending from the vikings.
Regarding autosomals these population movements are quite old and go back before Vikings, Celts etc. Anyone looking closely at genetics would realise that certain populations have a similar source which most likely goes back to groups like Bell Beaker / Corded Ware.
Scientists are just understanding about the journey of R1b from the Steppes and should know more looking at ancient remains. Autosomally all of the British Isles (including Ireland) is much closer to Scandinavians and Germans that's just the facts. Looking at ydna is not going to show how close populations are. All of Western Europe has more R1b of different clades but it all came from the east anyway. You have to look at autosomal dna (which is the majority of your dna). Ydna only covers about 2% of your dna and is only inherited from father to son. Unless you can grasp these differences it is going to be difficult to get your head around the subject.
Regarding autosomals these population movements are quite old and go back before Vikings, Celts etc. Anyone looking closely at genetics would realise that certain populations have a similar source which most likely goes back to groups like Bell Beaker / Corded Ware.
Scientists are just understanding about the journey of R1b from the Steppes and should know more looking at ancient remains. Autosomally all of the British Isles (including Ireland) is much closer to Scandinavians and Germans that's just the facts. Looking at ydna is not going to show how close populations are. All of Western Europe has more R1b of different clades but it all came from the east anyway. You have to look at autosomal dna (which is the majority of your dna). Ydna only covers about 2% of your dna and is only inherited from father to son. Unless you can grasp these differences it is going to be difficult to get your head around the subject.
Well, population are not just what you can see in the last two or three generations as you can with autosomal genetics, it is obvious that irish and british nowadays do not look the same as germans or scandinavians, they are somewhere between spanish and germans and that's what they actually are, both tha past and the present play a role in this matter.
Well, population are not just what you can see in the last two or three generations as you can with autosomal genetics, it is obvious that irish and british nowadays do not look the same as germans or scandinavians, they are somewhere between spanish and germans and that's what they actually are, both tha past and the present play a role in this matter.
Autosomals go way back and will pick up ancient populations movements. One hint is Ancestral North Eurasian. The ANE in Irish populations is double that in Basque or Spanish which is a big hint. ANE is higher in the Irish than the English population. Ancestral North Eurasian is a component from the Steppes.
I would really advise you to look more thoroughly into the subject. The Irish actually plot more north of the Germans and English so how does it make sense to say they are between the Germans and Spanish when they plot more north of both of those populations?
Eurogenes is a good blog to look at if you're really interested in understanding the subject.
Autosomals go way back and will pick up ancient populations movements. One hint is Ancestral North Eurasian. The ANE in Irish populations is double that in Basque or Spanish which is a big hint. ANE is higher in the Irish than the English population. Ancestral North Eurasian is a component from the Steppes.
I would really advise you to look more thoroughly into the subject. The Irish actually plot more north of the Germans and English so how does it make sense to say they are between the Germans and Spanish when they plot more north of both of those populations?
Eurogenes is a good blog to look at if you're really interested in understanding the subject.
Thank you for the link, I'll check it.
About the Irish, I'm talking about what I know, just the optics, I live in north Germany, people here don't look like the Irish, they are definitely different.
The Irish and British do generally look like they were a mixture between Germanic and Iberian people, and I suppose the whole history of the British Isles speaks for that too.
About the Irish, I'm talking about what I know, just the optics, I live in north Germany, people here don't look like the Irish, they are definitely different.
The Irish and British do generally look like they were a mixture between Germanic and Iberian people, and I suppose the whole history of the British Isles speaks for that too.
I don't know why the Irish would look like North Germans anyway. The British have more a continental input in the genetics than the Irish but definitely genetically the Irish aren't a mixture of Iberians and Germans they are something different than both these populations.
I think it helps to look on populations separately. The Irish are neither Germanics or Iberians. They are very North West European and the population most similar are the West Scots.
The major component of these populations formed before these language groups. You have to remember Germans and Iberian people have had different population movements into their genepool than the Irish had so the populations aren't the same.
I don't know why the Irish would look like North Germans anyway. The British have more a continental input in the genetics than the Irish but definitely genetically the Irish aren't a mixture of Iberians and Germans they are something different than both these populations.
I think it helps to look on populations separately. The Irish are neither Germanics or Iberians. They are very North West European and the population most similar are the West Scots.
The major component of these populations formed before these language groups. You have to remember Germans and Iberian people have had different population movements into their genepool than the Irish had so the populations aren't the same.
This makes a lot of sense, I think I mixed some other comments that looked like Germans and British would be almost the same, which is not the case.
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Originally Posted by mosterson
As to the place of Ireland between Germany and Spain, maybe a rebuff somehow as entire populations moved around more than ever imagined.
I think that too. As a Spaniard living in Germany I've made some interesting experiences here.
A friend of mine, woman coming from England, told me and one of my friends from Spain that we would pass as English if we were living in England, even when she was light blonde and had a pale skin color, she said that's what they call "English Rose" there, which means, not everyone looks like her and many would look like us being as much English as she herself is.
I've been often asked if I'm Dutch or Danish in Germany, even when my hair is black. When I tell people I come from Spain they don't wonder either. I guess there's just some kind of Europeans that would pass as possibly coming almost from anywhere here in Europe. Even a Russian woman told me I looked like some kind of darker russian, maybe Georgian.
It is difficult to tell how people actually looks like in every European country, there are some typical traits in almost every country but even more people who wouldn't look like this typical one without having foreign roots. Europe is very mixed up and was always so.
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