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The annexation of Crimea was illegal, there's absolutely no way around this.
That's in American understanding.
In Russian understanding what was illegal to begin with, was the dissolution of the Soviet Union against the will of the majority of people, the papers signed behind their backs and many other things, transition of Crimea full of Russians to Ukraine under all these "agreements" orchestrated by the US including.
After being away just to sort of look at things with different eyes here I would tend to agree with this. I am sorry the poster and all in the area have to live with the destruction of lives and homes. At this point it seems the conflict is now in 'stalemate' with constant 'shootem ups' being the calling cards of Ukrainians and Russians. Discussion between the two sides appears to be perhaps still at an 'irrational' stage wth the heels dug in deep. I'd think this will exist for awhile since Mr. Putin has his hands full in Syria now and Kiev also has a lot to deal with in its internal goings-on. Unfortunately this doesn't do anything for those in Kharkiv or all of Eastern Ukraine. War is hell as diplomats talk or don't talk. Looking at that level there is no difference between Ukrainians and Russians.
In Russian understanding what was illegal to begin with, was the dissolution of the Soviet Union against the will of the majority of people, the papers signed behind their backs and many other things, transition of Crimea full of Russians to Ukraine under all these "agreements" orchestrated by the US including.
WtF? What sort of schizoid interpretation of events? For what "backs"? All agreements were signed by the current legitimate authorities, Ukrainian and Russian.
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Originally Posted by sw1992
government of USA don't understand what crimes they have committed in Ukraine.
The annexation of Crimea was illegal, there's absolutely no way around this.
What annexation? Do you call that referendum where the crimeans by their will voted for the re-joining with Russia illegal annexation? If yes, then you are just parroting the western anti-russian propaganda.
In fact, the referendum was the authentic democratic act. That's it.
What annexation? Do you call that referendum where the crimeans by their will voted for the re-joining with Russia illegal annexation? If yes, then you are just parroting the western anti-russian propaganda.
In fact, the referendum was the authentic democratic act. That's it.
You confuse concepts of legality and democracy. Though it is typical of thieves who consider another's things - as the own, on the basis of own belief. But from it the thief does not cease to be the thief.
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Originally Posted by musiqum
You going to understand that yourself in the future. Let say in 5 years.
You confuse concepts of legality and democracy. Though it is typical of thieves who consider another's things - as the own, on the basis of own belief. But from it the thief does not cease to be the thief.
Correct. The thief Kchruschev who was an ukrainian stole Crimea from Russia and illegally gave it to Ukraine. He thought he is an owner of Crimea. But the crimeans thought otherwise. They decided to vote on the referendum and said good-bye ukraine. And it was totally legal according to the international laws and absolutely democratic.
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Ok, ban yourself for 5 years.
Since you keep asking for details and still don't understand what's going on for real, rather you have to ban yourself for a few years.
Because the future will show you all the details.
Maybe so, but that's the world in 2016, whether Putin likes it or not.
The fact is that no one recognizes Crimea as Russia. Nothing Russia does will change this fact. They need to leave Ukraine, or the sanctions and global isolation will continue, and Russia's pathetic economy will continue to unravel. Energy prices are going down every day, and Russians get poorer every day, and it's almost entirely Putin's fault.
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