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Yes, like the United States, like many other European countries.
USSR was a major German nazi ally, soviet collaboration made WW2 possible, bloody Soviet regime is responsible for the bulk of the needless Soviet deaths. Shortly after WW2 ended, Soviet regime cleansed the streets of major Soviet cities from thousands of the amputees and disfigured soldiers to be dumped in concentration camp like environment far away. Numerous crippled soldiers reminded the Soviets about the butchers who lead them to slaughter. USA was never a German ally. Only Russia denies and justifies its collaboration with German nazis. Putin defended Stalin-Ribbentrop pact that lead to WW2 and he called Stalin an "effective manager", if Russians consider Stalin rule "effective" it's only natural for other saner people to run away and never look back.
During the late 1940s and 1950s disabled veterans were dispersed from Moscow and other large cities for forced resettlement in remote areas. According to Fieseler (2006:51), kolkhoz supervisors in rural areas, in order to shed inefficient disabled workers, sometimes turned them in as "parasites;" such workers were then deported, presumably to labor camps.24 Penal camps were established in the Soviet Union for disabled prisoners and disabled veterans of the Russian Civil War and the two World Wars. The most infamous of these is the Spasskaia labor colony near Karaganda, Kazakhstan, to which 15,000 disabled prisoners were sent in the late 1940s and early 1950s (Solzhenitsyn 1985). Similarly, disabled veterans of the Second World War were secretly exiled from Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) and Leningrad oblast' to the Valaam archipelago, in the Republic of Karelia (Russian Federation). Valaam and the fate of those veterans are still shrouded in mystery (Fefelov 1986:51-57).
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Please give examples.
Vyacheslav Molotov called Poland 'the monstrous bastard of the Peace of Versailles'; Putin calls Ukraine an artificial country and fall of USSR the greatest geopolitical tragedy. The Soviet Government deems it its sacred duty to extend the hand of assistance to its brother Ukrainians and White Russians inhabiting Poland. (by invading Poland together with nazis to save Poles from the war). Comrade Putin extends helping hand to the Russian (speakers) he kills in the war he started to dismember Ukraine. Entire page is applicable to Russia Vyacheslav Molotov - Wikiquote. And there are other quotes on Poland that doesn't exist, it's just an entity subjected to the foreign interests, thus USSR didn't invade something that doesn't exist. Comrade Putin said that Ukraine doesn't exist after Yanukovich fled. And there was Soviet aggression in Finland and comrade Putin parrots a lot of the soviet propaganda that assisted 1940 war. Here is a good article in Russian explaining all the parallels between Puninism and Stalinism. http://www.svoboda.org/content/usa-t.../26849319.html
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Everybody can assume anything. But this does not mean that they are right.
The case for the Russian fascism is clear cut, it's something Russians played with for the past 130 years ×åðíàÿ ñîòíÿ èç êíèãè È. Ãàðèíà Ðóññêèé ôàøèçì (Èãîðü Ãàðèí) / Ïðîçà.ðó. Black and orange ribbon is a key instrument, like sieg heil or swastika, Russian regime used it to zombify the masses. Black and orange ribbons follow the invading Russian nazis. There is nothing to assume about that.
Only fools will hope on these young people. They fail at the first difficulty. For such tasks, there are specially trained people. In addition, the Russian multi-ethnic country. The government can not bet on people such as this will lead to internal tensions.
You called comrade Putin a fool? He has high hopes for the stormtroopers containing "color revolutions" before it's too late. Window on Eurasia -- New Series: Putin Now has His Storm Troopers and Pogroms Will Surely Follow, Ganapolsky Says Russian nazism is endemic. Russian language is full of the ethnic slur, as non slavic population grows its share, Russians may get some nasty paybacks, as Ukraine has shown linguistic russification alone doesn't guarantee political etc. allegiance to Russia. Russian speaking Ukrainians fight Russian nazis from Russia, they don't join them as a rule.
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Are you sure that in Germany and France, there are no national problems? They are in every country. In Ukraine, for example, it led to civil war.
You modestly forgot to provide the links to the cases where Ukrainian nazis kill 7, 14 and 15 years old girls in addition to killing dozens of other undesirables, maiming hundreds and humiliating thousands. Germany and France can't provide you with those links either. Russian nazism is a notch above Marie Le Pen variety not speaking of Ukrainian nationalists.
It's some random demonization, Russian nazi style. How Yarosh is more nazi than Putin? What office does he hold? What about other people? Explain, I doubt you've read wiki pages you linked. If anything Putin is more rabid nazi than all the people on the list, none of whom called Goebbels "a talented man" btw. The only nazi on the list, more or less, is Tyagnybok who doesn't hold any government office. But tyahnubok is so much less rabid nazi than Zhyrinovoski, a notorious Putin' side kick in Russian parliament. Russia This Week: Zhirinovsky Threatens to ‘Wipe Out’ Poland, Baltics (4-10 August) | The Interpreter.
No Russian propaganda nonsense about "military coup", please, you save that crap for patriotic Russian forums.
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And what are the important government positions they take?
Can you type (Putin+uses+hitler+rhetoric) in google? There are even more links in Russian.
"The rhetoric used by Russia’s President Putin to justify military intervention in Crimea, is in many respects similar to the rhetoric used by Hitler just before World War II to annex Czechoslovakia in 1938, and invade Poland in 1939. In both cases Hitler claimed that these actions were taken to defend the rights of ethnic Germans in these countries. President Putin is not Hitler, and his actions should not be regarded as the prelude to a wider conflict, but the rhetoric he has been using is very disturbing.” https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/exper...etoric-hitlers
And you don't? Of course, Russian domination of the inferior nations comes as a natural idea to a Russian nazi.
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You can believe in any journals, but it is not proof of the invasion. In addition, the cause of the outbreak of war - it's the stupid actions of the Ukrainian government. They made a mistake and do not want to admit these mistakes and correct.
I believe Jane's defense more than I believe 140 millions of the Russians, it's not "any journal". The cause of war is latent Imperial nazism of Russia seeking to dominate/destroy its neighbors. A deranged regime like that will always find/create a justification for an aggression.
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Modern Russia condemns the Soviet power and the Bolsheviks. No one denies that in the mid-20th century, many countries (not only Russian) made a lot of bad things. But the Russians do not want to forget war, which cost many millions of Russian lives. What's wrong? Why do you say that Putin uses it for "maintaining power over the masses"? Do you know what even in Moscow suburb forests still find shells, ammo and the remains of the soldiers of the Second World War? Russians remember that war and are proud that they were able win it.
UPD: By the way, in 2009, my wife and I specifically went to Moscow from Ivanovo, to watch the parade of the Victory. We saw the military equipment, which drove along Tverskaya Street, as well as the flight of fighters at low altitude. It was very interesting, a good show. We have committed some crime from the perspective of the Western person?
You keep playing a possum. I will repeat. Russia and you remember WW2 as it's portrayed by the Russian propaganda. Putin controls the Russian propaganda. All you know about WW2 is a courtesy of the "cradle to grave" Russian propaganda that creates a sanitized, heroic image of WW2, war myths of greatness and glory are must have for an Empire to raise another generation of troopers loyal to the Fuhrer and Reich. Russian hybrid invasion wouldn't have been possible without black and orange ribbon mania that engulfed Russia, simple as that.
Putin regime severely limited and censored historical research and popularization. George Orwell — 'He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.' I will help you: 1) Putin controls the present, 2) Putin controls the past, 3) Putin will control the future, he and his buddies are there to stay. Myth making is a key instrument for the Russian regime to perpetuate itself.
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Understood. War is hell. But a thought just occurred which suggested that Russia indeed has failed in its relationship with Ukraine to the extent that 'war' is now between them.
Arguably the country was asleep at the wheel when it came to managing a very critical relationship that inordinately affects the security of the Russian state. Diplomacy runs two ways. It is apparent that Russia prefers a more violent solution to a problem that perhaps could have been ameliorated with better approaches to its neighbor.
Re: "But the Russians do not want to forget war..."
Understood. War is hell. But a thought just occurred which suggested that Russia indeed has failed in its relationship with Ukraine to the extent that 'war' is now between them.
Arguably the country was asleep at the wheel when it came to managing a very critical relationship that inordinately affects the security of the Russian state. Diplomacy runs two ways. It is apparent that Russia prefers a more violent solution to a problem that perhaps could have been ameliorated with better approaches to its neighbor.
What you have is a war of seccession in the Ukraine which is not unlike what happened in the Balkans. The US and its client states intervened in support of Bosnia-Herzegovena, Kosovo, etc. The main difference is that the IMF takeover of Yugo sought a breakup of the federation from the outset of the debt crisis.
If you look objectively at the many conflicts in the world today, such as Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan-Pakistatan, Syria, Nigeria, and so on, the US-NATO are involved in far more wars than Russia.
USSR was a major German nazi ally, soviet collaboration made WW2 possible, bloody Soviet regime is responsible for the bulk of the needless Soviet deaths.
I can remind you how Hitler got Czechoslovakia. Maybe we assume Churchill's main ally of Hitler? Any country has allies at different times. Hitler started the war, and on him lay the blame for the victim. Your accusations are groundless. And by the way, your constant neurolinguistic words like "bloody" cause irritation. You behave ugly.
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Shortly after WW2 ended, Soviet regime cleansed the streets of major Soviet cities from thousands of the amputees and disfigured soldiers to be dumped in concentration camp like environment far away. Numerous crippled soldiers reminded the Soviets about the butchers who lead them to slaughter.
What does this phrase is to discuss Hitler's allies? You behave ugly.
Only Russia denies and justifies its collaboration with German nazis. Putin defended Stalin-Ribbentrop pact that lead to WW2 and he called Stalin an "effective manager", if Russians consider Stalin rule "effective" it's only natural for other saner people to run away and never look back.
Russia does not deny or justify. Information about the Stalin-Ribbentrop pact is available in textbooks. Why do you think that Russia denies something ??? And Stalin really effective manager, because he won the war. He was a cruel man, he took a bad scary decision, but his control was effective at that time. Of course, now is the time such rulers passed.
During the late 1940s and 1950s disabled veterans were dispersed from Moscow and other large cities for forced resettlement in remote areas. According to Fieseler (2006:51), kolkhoz supervisors in rural areas, in order to shed inefficient disabled workers, sometimes turned them in as "parasites;" such workers were then deported, presumably to labor camps.24 Penal camps were established in the Soviet Union for disabled prisoners and disabled veterans of the Russian Civil War and the two World Wars. The most infamous of these is the Spasskaia labor colony near Karaganda, Kazakhstan, to which 15,000 disabled prisoners were sent in the late 1940s and early 1950s (Solzhenitsyn 1985). Similarly, disabled veterans of the Second World War were secretly exiled from Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) and Leningrad oblast' to the Valaam archipelago, in the Republic of Karelia (Russian Federation). Valaam and the fate of those veterans are still shrouded in mystery (Fefelov 1986:51-57).
And why did you write it in the topic of discussion Hitler's allies? You behave ugly. Disabled people really were evicted to boarding. But this was not all persons with disabilities, but only those who were engaged in begging. If the disabled person has a family that cared about them, then his does not move out. What else Stalin could do for them, when the country was in ruins after the war? Maybe he had to feed them sausage and kvass on Red Square? I do not understand your claim.
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Putin calls Ukraine an artificial country and fall of USSR the greatest geopolitical tragedy.
It's true.
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The Soviet Government deems it its sacred duty to extend the hand of assistance to its brother Ukrainians and White Russians inhabiting Poland. (by invading Poland together with nazis to save Poles from the war). Comrade Putin extends helping hand to the Russian (speakers) he kills in the war he started to dismember Ukraine.
This is not true. Putin did not dismembers Ukraine. Only his decision to keeps the Donbas from the exit of Ukraine. Putin warned the rebels that will close the border and cut off aid and the rebels agreed to a ceasefire. Western Ukrainians started trouble, which can not be solved and blame the Russia and Putin. It looks ridiculous.
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Entire page is applicable to Russia Vyacheslav Molotov - Wikiquote. And there are other quotes on Poland that doesn't exist, it's just an entity subjected to the foreign interests, thus USSR didn't invade something that doesn't exist. Comrade Putin said that Ukraine doesn't exist after Yanukovich fled. And there was Soviet aggression in Finland and comrade Putin parrots a lot of the soviet propaganda that assisted 1940 war. Here is a good article in Russian explaining all the parallels between Puninism and Stalinism. http://www.svoboda.org/content/usa-t.../26849319.html
I do not think it's possible to carry out such a comparison. Russia defends its interests, but it does not need new territories. If Russia was in need of new territories, the Donbass already be joined to Russia.
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The case for the Russian fascism is clear cut, it's something Russians played with for the past 130 years ×åðíàÿ ñîòíÿ èç êíèãè È. Ãàðèíà Ðóññêèé ôàøèçì (Èãîðü Ãàðèí) / Ïðîçà.ðó. Black and orange ribbon is a key instrument, like sieg heil or swastika, Russian regime used it to zombify the masses. Black and orange ribbons follow the invading Russian nazis. There is nothing to assume about that.
Black and orange ribbons is the colors of the Russian military awards. I do not understand why you think it a symbol of Nazism. It is a symbol of the Russian army, symbol of the victory over Nazism. Explain why you tie ribbon with Nazism. I think it's just your imagination.
Anti-Maydan - is not assault groups. This organization, which must struggle with an unauthorized rally. The reason for the anti-Maidan - the consequences of such rallies in Ukraine. Events in Ukraine again showed Russian that bad democracy with Putin is better than a good civil war.
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Russian nazism is endemic.
Fantasy, fantasy, fantasy... Why did you write this nonsense and insults instead of discussing the current situation in Ukraine and interesting news?
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You modestly forgot to provide the links to the cases where Ukrainian nazis kill 7, 14 and 15 years old girls in addition to killing dozens of other undesirables, maiming hundreds and humiliating thousands. Germany and France can't provide you with those links either. Russian nazism is a notch above Marie Le Pen variety not speaking of Ukrainian nationalists.
I can not give details of the problems of racism in Germany and France, but I am sure that such problems exist. Murders in Russia on a national basis is usually associated with household problems. Central Asian migrants are often organized criminal organizations that are engaged in robbery and drug trafficking. This increases the tension in the society, which sometimes leads to the victims. I agree that this is a big problem, but at the same time we should not distribute this problem on all Russian society. Ukrainian nationalists came to power after a military coup. Their slogans and stupid policy led to civil war. 6,000 people were killed. But you continue to talk about the 10 murders in Russia for 10 years.
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It's some random demonization, Russian nazi style. How Yarosh is more nazi than Putin?
Putin is not a Nazi. Russian multinational state. And it has been and will always be so. Russia is "a union of tribes", where Slavic language and Slavic culture has the largest representation. But no one stops to profess any religion and to speak in any language.
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What office does he hold? What about other people? Explain, I doubt you've read wiki pages you linked. If anything Putin is more rabid nazi than all the people on the list, none of whom called Goebbels "a talented man" btw. The only nazi on the list, more or less, is Tyagnybok who doesn't hold any government office. But tyahnubok is so much less rabid nazi than Zhyrinovoski, a notorious Putin' side kick in Russian parliament. Russia This Week: Zhirinovsky Threatens to ‘Wipe Out’ Poland, Baltics (4-10 August) | The Interpreter.
Some of these people are nationalist parties (for example, "Svoboda"), some of these people have repeatedly called Russian "subhuman", some of these people called to kill Russian. All of them came to power after a military coup. In a free election, they could not get the right amount of votes. Putin said something like that? Zhirinovsky - a court jester. He does not take serious positions in the government.
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No Russian propaganda nonsense about "military coup", please, you save that crap for patriotic Russian forums.
This is not a Russian propaganda. This is my opinion. If you have not seen, as police was doused Molotov cocktails and militants stormed the administrations, then it's your problem.
Can you type (Putin+uses+hitler+rhetoric) in google? There are even more links in Russian.
"The rhetoric used by Russia’s President Putin to justify military intervention in Crimea, is in many respects similar to the rhetoric used by Hitler just before World War II to annex Czechoslovakia in 1938, and invade Poland in 1939. In both cases Hitler claimed that these actions were taken to defend the rights of ethnic Germans in these countries. President Putin is not Hitler, and his actions should not be regarded as the prelude to a wider conflict, but the rhetoric he has been using is very disturbing.” https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/exper...etoric-hitlers
In response, I can say that NATO also uses the rhetoric of Hitler. Hitler made promises and did not fulfill them. NATO also gave a promise not to expand to the East, but has not fulfilled promises. NATO uses the rhetoric of Hitler!
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And you don't? Of course, Russian domination of the inferior nations comes as a natural idea to a Russian nazi.
Of course not. You pulls out a phrase out of context. This is called propoganda. And you use it, as well as the permanent insertion of the horrors of Stalin's regime, when we are talking not about that. This is called neuro-linguistic programming, and I'm sorry that I met that kind of thing on this forum.
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I believe Jane's defense more than I believe 140 millions of the Russians, it's not "any journal". The cause of war is latent Imperial nazism of Russia seeking to dominate/destroy its neighbors. A deranged regime like that will always find/create a justification for an aggression.
You can think of anything you want. But it does not become true.
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