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Whether we like it or not, Greeks named Europe, the continent.
That Guardian article was wrote by art & desing journalist....Again: ART & DESING
That should tell the level of knowledge, concerning economy or politics.
Greece had the worst economy of the eurozone pre-collapse and the worst fall.
Well, what point is there?
The economists'. The common rules concerning budget deficits and so on.
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If we are googling any country, we will learn lot of things. Different thing is if we are able to see its value or not.
Exactly. Of course every country has culture. The writer of the article just seem to romantizing Greece for it's ancient history, and thinks Greece should get away with everything because of that. While not appreciating the music of Jean Sibelius or liking heart rate monitors.
Plenty of economists disagree with those rules, at least the eurozone demands and austerity. There are also some that thought the euro itself was a stupid idea. My point is you're suggesting an agreement that doesn't exist; it's only among those in power in the eu.
When I think of Europe, it is normally in this order (in terms of culture/history)
Tier one: France, Italy UK, Spain, - these are really the four "core" countries
Tier two: Germany, Austria, Switzerland
Tier three: Greece, Portugal, Czech
Tier four: Scandinavia, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, East Europe
Greece is perceived more important than Finland, maybe, but hardly that indispensable. Most people go to Greece to see the Islands anyway. Athens is a dump, even my Greek coworkers says that.
When I think of Europe, it is normally in this order (in terms of culture/history)
Tier one: France, Italy UK, Spain, - these are really the four "core" countries
Tier two: Germany, Austria, Switzerland
Tier three: Greece, Portugal, Czech
Tier four: Scandinavia, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, East Europe
Greece is perceived more important than Finland, maybe, but hardly that indispensable. Most people go to Greece to see the Islands anyway. Athens is a dump, even my Greek coworkers says that.
That's a bad evaluation of Europe (as well as your own opinion). How is the UK more European than most European countries, if the majority don't consider themselves European?
How can there be core and periphery countries?
That's a bad evaluation of Europe (as well as your own opinion). How is the UK more European than most European countries, if the majority don't consider themselves European?
How can there be core and periphery countries?
good or bad, when people think of Europe, the UK automatically jumps out, it being part of Eurozone or considering itself European or not. Doesn't really matter.
To deny there are core and periphery countries is childish PC. You can't seriously think Finland or Denmark are as important as France and Italy. The UK may not consider itself European, but it had a far more profound impact on Europe than all the tier 3/4 countries combined.
When I think of Europe, it is normally in this order (in terms of culture/history)
Tier one: France, Italy UK, Spain, - these are really the four "core" countries
Tier two: Germany, Austria, Switzerland
Tier three: Greece, Portugal, Czech
Tier four: Scandinavia, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, East Europe
Greece is perceived more important than Finland, maybe, but hardly that indispensable. Most people go to Greece to see the Islands anyway. Athens is a dump, even my Greek coworkers says that.
How is Spain more important than Germany, Switzerland more important than Greece, and Czech Republic more important than the Netherlands?
Beyond me.
Also, if you disregard ancient history, I dare to say that Finland is more important than Greece. Or maybe similarly important, both being in a tricky geopolitical situation.
Plenty of economists disagree with those rules, at least the eurozone demands and austerity. There are also some that thought the euro itself was a stupid idea. My point is you're suggesting an agreement that doesn't exist; it's only among those in power in the eu.
That is debatable and might be true, but we still followed the rules so that we or others wouldn't get into trouble because of that. And it's in our culture too. Here you follow the rules.
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This all might sound as boasting or feeling morally superior, but the truth is that we tried to help and had genuine sympathy for the Greek people, and they are just shoving it in our faces. Tsipras yesterday pointed out that "the Netherlands and Finland lost - we won".
What came from Greece before AD500 is more than enough reason for the rest of Europe to support today's Greece. And they know it.
It has nothing to do with any of that historical cultural nostalgia crap. That's all just a some sort of smoke screen since the early 19th century.
It has to do with Greece's strategic position in the Balkans and the central/eastern Mediterranean. Just look at the map.
The Europeans have to pay for that. Period.
In spite of how prickly, but otherwise docile, Greek politicians are.
The Europeans have to pay for that strategic position or risk losing it to rival and possibly hostile powers.
True, some may not understand that, like the Finns and Balts preoccupied with their own problems, and the Germans because of their stinginess and narrow-mindedness, but the French do. I think also maybe the Italians and Spanish (and the Maltese).
Yes, maybe on someone else's pfenning, but they understand it.
And if Charlemagne does not want to pay for it, then let it go and deal with the consequences and risks.
It has nothing to do with any of that historical cultural nostalgia crap. That's all just a some sort of smoke screen since the early 19th century.
Agree. This has nothing to do with history.
This issue is about repaying your debt. It is a purely financial issue. Nothing more than that.
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